Former anti-vax Edson woman shares husband's COVID-19 ICU horror story.
(edmontonjournal.com)
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Had a look at that chart /data you provided. Which essentially just repeats what has been given in previous data points. One should always go back and ask. What does the data say? So far it’s been consistent- it affects the elderly and frail.
The truth of the matter, the relevant data is buried at the bottom of the gov Canada page, I’m sure that’s just coincidence. The Trudeau admin is known for its transparency, they said so themselves.
Age and sex of hospitalizations: Roughly rounding - 94% of deaths are 60 years or over. 84% of deaths were 70 years and over.
A conspicuous absence of data on this page (unless I’m just being blind) is the number of cormobidities per patient.
Still looking at the page to see what the ages were of the people unjabbed hospitalised. Again another odd missing data set from breathless fake news media coverage of “a pandemic of the unvaccinated” when parroting Herr Bonnie Henry’s incomplete data.
I’m no doctor, but elderly people tend to have other things wrong with them, sometimes serious. It’s also commonly accepted that even a common cold can finish off a particularly frail elderly person.
It would be absurd to assume all the deaths in the 84% 70+ cohort were all ex Canadian natural Mr. or Ms Universes in rude health.
On to the contracting sars2 and “infecting” others. Am I, and my family, supposed to stop what we are doing, not go to work or shop, earn a living etc, every time we feel a bit under the weather, a bit tired or sniffly etc? Then cower in our homes terrified for 14 days each time just in case it’s the Rona?
Are we supposed to lock down our small biz every time? No we will not, and cannot. We have to pay the bills.
Now, this does not mean that I, and my other half and others go out of our way to walk into Walmart and smear our noses on the jars of PB or sneeze on people? I wash my hands, take cold medicine to inhibit the symptoms, high dose Vit D, C, don’t shake hands, not get too close tje the cashier etc and get the shopping done. If you are so weak that a very mild flu or cold kills you, that’s your problem, not mine.
If a cold or respiratory virus is very sneezy or runny I’ll stay home, if only because it’s so inconvenient to be constantly dabbing ones eyes or nose and the tissues can be infectious.
If I get influenza I stay home,(because real flu makes one just want to lie around) I had it dec 2019, felt like shit for 2 weeks, then had the Rona a few months later in 2020 and it don’t even know what it was it was so mild.
Anyway, If we all did that over reacting to every possible ‘might might not be a cold or just some allergies’ cos it might be Corona- sniffle or feeling, the economy would grind to a halt, thousands of businesses and families and jobs would be thrown to the wolves and the money spent by consumers would instead go to the giant corps.
Oh… wait a min.
Like already been said, had no idea what it was at first, gave it little thought, as just felt it was over work.
It was only afterwards we all decided to get a test (what little accuracy the PCR is anyway) as was curious.
A siblings ex spouse also got the Rona. Was the only one of the extended family to die. Was also a lifelong smoker, was over weight and had COPD. But sure, it was the coof that killed the person… in the end died of pneumonia. If had never smoked in whole life, wasnt a fat sod and ate right and excercised, would still be around.
28,000 people dead. Yes, if we can trust the figures from the Trudeau admin. Because the gov would never lie to us, ever, scouts honour.
Out of 40m people. So that’s 0.07% of the Pop. For a pathogen with a 1.8% alleged IFR , and such a terrible high speed of infectiousness, it sure is doing an incompetent job at killing people en mass over what, almost 2 years now?
If applied over the whole pop. Say the whole pop gets infected and we apply the alleged 1.7% IFR. That’s about 680,000 dead. But 88% are jabbed. So that means it reduces deaths apparently. That’s 33.4M allegedly protected in some way.
So maybe it’s those unjabbed folk. 7.6m of them. Alright, and since 84% of the allegedly unjabbed dying in hospitals, then we would have to find what percentage of people in Canada are over 70 and unjabbed. As that, would be the biggest problem to address. That also shows that if the jabs work (to whatever constantly changing degree) then it would make sense to have everyone 60 and over jabbed, (94% of folk dying in hospitals allegedly of Corona) and to leave the younger cohort be.
Canada is a stones throw from 90% jabbed. As it inches towards 95%, potentially that’s roughly 2m remaining unjabbed.
Let’s apply some logic:
Oh but now the version is that the jabbed can still get it, give it. It just reduces the chances or dying or severity.
Okay. Let’s game that out. Hypothetical situation (that will soon be on us anyway) 98% of the pop are now jabbed. Remember! We are only about 10% away from that now! What then? Will the deaths keep going at the same rate or reduce? Guess this forum is going to be back in 6 months and we will find out.
Ok, so- according to the data you put forward, the Rona kills on average 1.8%. Let’s go all out and round it to 2%.
If the Corona sars2 was SO infectious, and it killed 2 people for every 100 infected (allegedly no age discrimination) then where are the bodies? We’re only at 28100 dead in 2 years?
So horrible the yearly death count is similar to all the other years? (So much for ‘excess deaths)
But you know more than the experts in infectious diseases and public health protocols. Your uneducated common sense is more valid than all their training, experience, and clinical trials.
Firstly this is for the benefit of the whole forum, in case they may find this data handy.
I know more than experts in infectious diseases and public health protocols? I never said that. I looked for the data, because I didnt know myself, so I found it and previously gave it - Data from the CDC, and the BC CDC. Just trying to get to the bottom of this, and look for some positive news, dont you want to get to the bottom of this? Nobody on here wants this thing to last forever. Wouldnt anyone here be happy if the gov announced tomorrow it was all over? I'm tired of it, my business is tired of it, my employees are tired of it, my suppliers are tired of it, and my customers & clients (esp US clients who cant even get to us) are tired of it. We are almost two years into this nonsense with no end in sight.
The business, customers, employees, suppliers etc all jumped through every hoop the gov set, we're at 87-90% jabbed, well beyond the original Trudeau admin's 'Target', and every time the carrot is moved a few feet forward and the goal posts moved.
What I conceded is that I am unsure of the exact IFR, so we went with your rounded up 2%.
Are you positing that: "I’m no doctor, but elderly people tend to have other things wrong with them, sometimes serious. It’s also commonly accepted that even a common cold can finish off a particularly frail elderly person."
Is incorrect?
"...conditions increases with age. Among those aged 85+, the 5 diseases with the highest prevalence were hypertension (83.4%), osteoarthritis (54.0%), ischemic heart disease (IHD) [42.0%], osteoporosis (36.9%) and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD) [27.3%]. "
About half way down- section 2. (Source: https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/publications/diseases-conditions/aging-chronic-diseases-profile-canadian-seniors-executive-summary.html )
So far, you appear to posit that you are disatisfied by the percentage of Canadians who have got a jab. Is this correct?
What percentage will you be satisfied with? We are at 87% to almost 89% depending on the data table looked at.
The vast majority of the most vulnerable have already been jabbed. According to BC CDC numbers data (previously given) the vast majority of those dying in hospital are 60+ 94%, the even older group - 94%.
Assuming: Can pop of 38,246,108 million. I used data from the below sites to calculate # of people jabbed, vs number remaining, using StatsCan population demographic by age cohort estimates. (Jabs by age from here: https://covid19tracker.ca/vaccinationtracker.html )
(Population age demographic from StatsCan here:
https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=1710000501&pickMembers%5B0%5D=1.1&pickMembers%5B1%5D=2.1&cubeTimeFrame.startYear=2021&cubeTimeFrame.endYear=2021&referencePeriods=20210101%2C20210101 )
( Another source of % jabbed by age here: https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/vaccination-coverage/ )
% jabbed and # left not jabbed-
80+ 96% have been jabbed- leaving about 68,548 non.
70-79 98% leaving 125,363
60-69 93% leaving 338,832
50-59 87% leaving 66,697
40-49 85% leaving 734,121
30-39 81% leaving 1,019,243
15-29 79% leaving 1,501,555 (at this point the calculations will be a little skewed as the age categories are slightly offset between the two data tables on the respective websites)
0-14/17 29% leaving 1,745,244
0-4 Was not able to determine % jabbed, and I posit this should be disregarded in calculations as babies fresh out of the womb and 4 year olds cannot really consent, and jabbing them is morally suspect, at best. The population of 0-4yrs children for clarity is approx 1,882,571.
I will remove the 0-4 age cohort from calculations. Since according to BC CDC and US CDC data, healthy children up to 19 are extremely unlikely to perish from sars-cov2, they will be excluded from calculations.
0-19 yrs cohort Canadian pop is about 8,075,533. Remaining Canadian population that in theory can get the shot or have got it is 30,170,575. Of that the % jabbed doesnt change much, about 89%.
Okay! Soooo.... 96% of those 80+ being jabbed isnt going to get much higher. Maybe the remaining 4% are either so ill for it to not be worth it, or terminal, or actually have weeks or months to live, maybe some do not understand so cannot give consent, etc etc. Let's just go with that cohort is covered for practical purposes.
As a reminder for the forum, the only thing that really matters is, are you going to die of X? Data on the gov site here: https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/epidemiological-summary-covid-19-cases.html?stat=num&measure=deaths
Figure 7, select 'deaths'. 60+ is 94% of deaths, allegedly caused by sars-cov2. On seniors with high blood pressure at 8 out of 10, and COPD at almost a third on average. Every death is unfortunate, of course. However looking at the lockdowns, travel restrictions, New Brunswick travel 20km nonsense, and all this jab papers madness, all this... for 532,000 seniors who remain unjabbed, spread over the whole country.
532,000 statistically most vulnerable people by a vast margin, who are unjabbed.
Of the Canada pop excluding 0-19 thats about:
30,170,575 people.
Hey forum.... We are holding the country to ransom for 1.7% of the population.
The whole pop? Thats 1.39% of the population.
But you continue to second-guess them by doing your own research. In your spare time, apparently, as though that put you on an equal footing with them.
You seem like an intelligent person. I don't know what your business is but I'm pretty sure you wouldn't give much weight to the opinion of someone who knew nothing about it but had read an article and started telling you how you were doing it wrong.