Re the dinosaur media thing about most folk in ICU's and hospitals are unjabbed.
Ok, so let's say we trust this stat from the gov.... cough. Questions:
The country is at or nearing 90% jabbed. I crunched thru the numbers based on demographics and age groups from census data a while back in a post some weeks ago, IIRC around 300-500k people who are elderly remain unjabbed (the ones that are dynig in high numbers- according to BC CDC numbers)
If we are at 90% jabbed and the unjabbed are shrinking by the day, at what point does the argument that the unjabbed are taking all the room up in the hospitals start to get silly?
Are we seriously going to argue that at 95% jabbed (theoretically here) say, that the remaining 5% are children 10 and under, are clogging up hospitals?
Is there data showing of these allegedly unjabbed in hospitals, their ages, number of comorbidities?
How is the various provincial govs defining what 'unjabbed' actually means? IIRC there was some shell game a while back about it wasnt considered a jabbed patient if they had it done 2 weeks prior, and that they were still considered unjabbed, AFTER they were admitted, even if they were in the hospitals for WEEKS.
If they are 'testing' these patients to look for the dreaded Megatron, sorry...omicron, what are they testing them with?
A: PCR? Hasnt that test been effectivley given the heave ho by the CDC in recent weeks? Something not approved or somesuch?
B: PCR test allegedly cannot tell the difference between one coronavirus (say, a cold) and another - say influenza B.
C: If the medical workers and lab workers physically testing all these allegedly 'infected' patients, scores a day perhaps, and the virus is so deadly and infectous etc, how come they arent sick? Where's the data showing how many testers come down with the kung flu?
Interesting comment from someone who gets their information from a site that cautions visitors against taking the site's advice:
"The information is provided with the understanding that the authors and publishers are not herein engaged in rendering medical, pharmaceutical, nutritional, mental health, legal, or any other professional advice or services. As such, it should not be used as a substitute for consultation and advice from a licensed professional in the specific field of interest who will provide recommendations based on your particular situation and factual background. Do not make any decisions based on the information contained or presented on this website without consulting an appropriate professional."
Now if we could do a graph that shows how many vaccinated people get vaccine injuries vs unvaccinated people that get vaccine injuries, the multiple is infinite.
And, these are the injuries that actually get reported. I personally know two people with vaccine injuries tgat the doctors refused to report.
You really do need a basic stats background to make sense of the stats that you post. You cannot make an informed decision with one stat on its own; everything is relative.
"0.011% of all all doses administered" produce an incident that requires medical attention, and not many of them died.
Compare that to the figures for death from covid. Up until recently - when omicron overwhelmed the case counting system - 2% of the people who tested positive for covid died.
I told you before. You need some stats training. You won't get the following from CTV news:
Total covid hospitalizations in almost 2 years of covid: 32,408 out of a population of 14.57 million - .2% (this figure is over-estimated as it is because it includes people in hospital with covid and not because of covid). Theste stats are from the beginning. Omicron is milder and will make the stats much lower going forward..
There's virtually no risk for the general population to be affected by covid, healthwise.
Given what we know, and have known for a long time, old, unhealthy, and fat people will benefit from the vaccine, as they're the ones that end up in hospital. They should definitely take the vaccine, as there is a big benefit to them and to them alone.
Sorry, you must have misunderstood what I said. You needs stats training to interpret the stats that you're posting. None of what you just posted refutes what I said. Do you want to try again?
To add to it, there is a serious problem with hospital capacity in Ontario. That's where the crisis is. Too many people sick at the same time. Vaccinating healthy people against covid won't change that.
Germany: Govt Reports 96% of Omicron Cases are Among Fully Vaxxed
https://www.eutimes.net/2022/01/germany-govt-reports-96-of-omicron-cases-are-among-fully-vaccinated-4-are-unvaccinated/
Re the dinosaur media thing about most folk in ICU's and hospitals are unjabbed.
Ok, so let's say we trust this stat from the gov.... cough. Questions:
If we are at 90% jabbed and the unjabbed are shrinking by the day, at what point does the argument that the unjabbed are taking all the room up in the hospitals start to get silly?
Are we seriously going to argue that at 95% jabbed (theoretically here) say, that the remaining 5% are children 10 and under, are clogging up hospitals?
Is there data showing of these allegedly unjabbed in hospitals, their ages, number of comorbidities?
How is the various provincial govs defining what 'unjabbed' actually means? IIRC there was some shell game a while back about it wasnt considered a jabbed patient if they had it done 2 weeks prior, and that they were still considered unjabbed, AFTER they were admitted, even if they were in the hospitals for WEEKS.
If they are 'testing' these patients to look for the dreaded Megatron, sorry...omicron, what are they testing them with? A: PCR? Hasnt that test been effectivley given the heave ho by the CDC in recent weeks? Something not approved or somesuch? B: PCR test allegedly cannot tell the difference between one coronavirus (say, a cold) and another - say influenza B. C: If the medical workers and lab workers physically testing all these allegedly 'infected' patients, scores a day perhaps, and the virus is so deadly and infectous etc, how come they arent sick? Where's the data showing how many testers come down with the kung flu?
And it's the unvaxxed that are going to hospitals and ICUs in far, far greater numbers.
https://covid19-sciencetable.ca/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/2022-01-02-Current-COVID-19-Risk-in-Ontario-by-Vaccination-Status-Separate-Charts-1024x322.png
Interesting comment from someone who gets their information from a site that cautions visitors against taking the site's advice:
"The information is provided with the understanding that the authors and publishers are not herein engaged in rendering medical, pharmaceutical, nutritional, mental health, legal, or any other professional advice or services. As such, it should not be used as a substitute for consultation and advice from a licensed professional in the specific field of interest who will provide recommendations based on your particular situation and factual background. Do not make any decisions based on the information contained or presented on this website without consulting an appropriate professional."
Now if we could do a graph that shows how many vaccinated people get vaccine injuries vs unvaccinated people that get vaccine injuries, the multiple is infinite.
Here are the Canadian stats:
https://ibb.co/PzXC9sF
And, these are the injuries that actually get reported. I personally know two people with vaccine injuries tgat the doctors refused to report.
You really do need a basic stats background to make sense of the stats that you post. You cannot make an informed decision with one stat on its own; everything is relative.
"0.011% of all all doses administered" produce an incident that requires medical attention, and not many of them died.
Compare that to the figures for death from covid. Up until recently - when omicron overwhelmed the case counting system - 2% of the people who tested positive for covid died.
😘
I told you before. You need some stats training. You won't get the following from CTV news:
Total covid hospitalizations in almost 2 years of covid: 32,408 out of a population of 14.57 million - .2% (this figure is over-estimated as it is because it includes people in hospital with covid and not because of covid). Theste stats are from the beginning. Omicron is milder and will make the stats much lower going forward..
There's virtually no risk for the general population to be affected by covid, healthwise.
Given what we know, and have known for a long time, old, unhealthy, and fat people will benefit from the vaccine, as they're the ones that end up in hospital. They should definitely take the vaccine, as there is a big benefit to them and to them alone.
I'd like to see you address the hospitalization and ICU stats for Ontario. Unvaxxed people are way over-represented - why is that? https://covid19-sciencetable.ca/ontario-dashboard/
Anyone who wants to can look it up at https://www.publichealthontario.ca/-/media/documents/ncov/epi/covid-19-daily-epi-summary-report.pdf?la=en
Tell that to the people whose surgeries, cancer treatments, etc. are being delayed https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/with-more-than-500-000-fewer-surgeries-due-to-covid-19-delayed-surgeries-cost-some-their-lives-1.5700480
Or the young people with permanent organ damage from covid. https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-kidney-damage-caused-by-covid19
Sorry, you must have misunderstood what I said. You needs stats training to interpret the stats that you're posting. None of what you just posted refutes what I said. Do you want to try again?
I'd like to see you address the hospitalization and ICU stats for Ontario. Unvaxxed people are way over-represented - why is that? https://covid19-sciencetable.ca/ontario-dashboard/
I did address it.
To add to it, there is a serious problem with hospital capacity in Ontario. That's where the crisis is. Too many people sick at the same time. Vaccinating healthy people against covid won't change that.
Is it you that doesn't accept the official 14-days-to-full-effectiveness version? I think it is.
I did that already about Dec 15 or so: "Nonsense. This is from 2013: "The first time the body encounters a germ, it can take several days to make and use all the germ-fighting tools needed to get over the infection." https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/hcp/patient-ed/conversations/downloads/vacsafe-understand-bw-office.pdf"
All you do is say. You virtually never provide any proof that what you are saying has anything to do with the real world.
If you get it on Jan 1 you over a year to benefit from it before the tax man asks for a share.
Nope. You just declare it as income when you fill out your taxes.