There is no obligation. Trump tried for four years to get NATO countries to up their military budget and he failed. We will see if Trudeau increases the military budget even further (which wouldn't be a bad thing).
You literally explained the obligation. Trudeau ignored trump because where was the threat. Now there's a threat and trudeau looks like a blackface.
Trudeau is absolutely obligated. I guarantee you Biden and Johnson told him that he has to hit this obligation or risk not having nato defend us if our neighbour russia invades us.
He isn't obligated. There is no law that requires him to hit 2% of the GDP as military spending no matter what Biden or Johnson say. And even if Canada doesn't hit the 2% GDP spending target (like many other NATO countries), NATO will still come to our defense.
The jets were just old and needed replacing. It's either that or have somebody else fly NORAD over Canada. Nobody wants that. So he had to get off the pot.
He isn't obligated. There is no law that requires him to hit 2% of the GDP as military spending no matter what Biden or Johnson say. And even if Canada doesn't hit the 2% GDP spending target (like many other NATO countries), NATO will still come to our defense.
It used to be an informal guideline. It became a requirement, but was flouted by Trudeau. It's an unenforceable requirement/obligation now.
What are they going to do though? Kick Canada out of NATO? Weaken NATO? Technically the 2024 date hasnt even come, but it's basically impossible to hit the number in a single year, he's obligated to start spending now or risk to see what punishment comes.
You have to put this in context as well. Europe needs our oil/gas.
Trudeau didn't meet the 2% requirement for 2024. He cancelled energy east to hinder delivering oil to europe. He also just announced significant reduction to oil and gas? Literally the opposite of what our NATO allies want him doing.
Trudeau looks like a diplomatic threat working against their interests. Maybe they just say... Canada and their 50 year old broken down unfunded military isnt even a great loss to NATO. We're out.
What happens next? Russia sends some more Tupolev Tu-160 to see how Canada is doing with our CF18s?
Clearly Canada is more than required which is why Trudeau is hypocritically breaking another election promise of not buying F35s.
An unenforceable requirement is worth nothing. There is no punishment if a country doesn't meet the 2% GDP target.
He cancelled energy east to hinder delivering oil to europe.
Energy East was cancelled because Quebec was against it, not
because he wanted to hinder oil deliveries to Europe. He secured votes in Quebec with the cancellation.
He also just announced significant reduction to oil and gas?
He didn't. Since Trudeau is in power oil production increased by over 30%. Trudeau can be the biggest environmentalist he can, but there is something even more powerful. Money, and oil makes money. Today we produce more oil than at any other point in Canadian history.
Canada and their 50 year old broken down unfunded military isnt even a great loss to NATO. We're out.
There are countries in NATO with an even more desolate military and no one is threatening them to throw them out. Canada could even reduce its military budget and we would be still a core member of NATO just because of the fact that we have the largest access to the Arctic.
Russia sends some more Tupolev Tu-160 to see how Canada is doing with our CF18s?
As we can see now in Ukraine these Russian planes aren't even a match to basic defenses like Stinger rockets. Our CF18s would destroy them easily.
Clearly Canada is more than required which is why Trudeau is hypocritically breaking another election promise of not buying F35s.
Times change. And be glad that the clown broke a shitty election promise. Just like with the electoral reform. If he had enacted an electoral reform, the CPC would never form a government again.
An unenforceable requirement is worth nothing. There is no punishment if a country doesn't meet the 2% GDP target.
Fair point of view, but point I was getting at. Do you really want to risk this?
Energy East was cancelled because Quebec was against it, not because he wanted to hinder oil deliveries to Europe. He secured votes in Quebec with the cancellation.
Oh I understand. Not sure it makes a difference.
He didn't. Since Trudeau is in power oil production increased by over 30%. Trudeau can be the biggest environmentalist he can, but there is something even more powerful. Money, and oil makes money. Today we produce more oil than at any other point in Canadian history.
42% cut of emissions from oil and gas sector without impacting production? Uh huh... that's not how it works.
There are countries in NATO with an even more desolate military and no one is threatening them to throw them out. Canada could even reduce its military budget and we would be still a core member of NATO just because of the fact that we have the largest access to the Arctic.
Who? Luxumberg is basically the only one worse than Canada.
No, that arctic access is a liability to NATO. It's something Russia clearly wants.
As we can see now in Ukraine these Russian planes aren't even a match to basic defenses like Stinger rockets. Our CF18s would destroy them easily.
So let me explain what happens. Our radar sees these tu160s coming. We send out CF18s.
Suddenly our CF18s are flaming wrecks landing in the arctic because of SU57s obliterated the shit out of them before the CF18s could even tell they were there. CF18s never fired anything, they didn't even see who shot those a2a.
In terms of russian airforce not showing up to Ukraine? Ya they have lots of S300 type. Russia already took out most military installations. The cost-benefit isnt there to deploy the airforce.
How about canadian arctic? Did we sign onto the missile defence system the USA offered? lol not even harper signed up for that. We have nothing other than the cf18s and hope that our allies keep us from getting dominated. That basically makes nato pretty damned important. Better not risk not meeting our requirements.
Afterall, it's not like im saying anything. Trudeau clearly promised to do this and this is why the 180 on the f35s.
As we can see now in Ukraine these Russian planes aren't even a match to basic defenses like Stinger rockets. Our CF18s would destroy them easily.
You saw that? I didn't see any of that. I saw Ukrainians begging for old Polish fighters, begging for a no -fly zone. (Stingers are low level shoulder launched. Stay above 15k feet and you're good). This is not how somebody that is winnig the air war would behave. Our air force is not as confident as you concerning its ability to match Russia. Spending a jillion buck to buy F-35 isn't the way somebody would behave if they were convinced of their superiority.
The Russians are also less airpower-centric than we are. Why would they be? The west's airpower is probably unbeatable. On the ground though, the Russians are willing to take losses, us, not so much.
You literally explained the obligation. Trudeau ignored trump because where was the threat. Now there's a threat and trudeau looks like a blackface.
Trudeau is absolutely obligated. I guarantee you Biden and Johnson told him that he has to hit this obligation or risk not having nato defend us if our neighbour russia invades us.
He isn't obligated. There is no law that requires him to hit 2% of the GDP as military spending no matter what Biden or Johnson say. And even if Canada doesn't hit the 2% GDP spending target (like many other NATO countries), NATO will still come to our defense.
The jets were just old and needed replacing. It's either that or have somebody else fly NORAD over Canada. Nobody wants that. So he had to get off the pot.
It used to be an informal guideline. It became a requirement, but was flouted by Trudeau. It's an unenforceable requirement/obligation now.
What are they going to do though? Kick Canada out of NATO? Weaken NATO? Technically the 2024 date hasnt even come, but it's basically impossible to hit the number in a single year, he's obligated to start spending now or risk to see what punishment comes.
You have to put this in context as well. Europe needs our oil/gas.
Trudeau didn't meet the 2% requirement for 2024. He cancelled energy east to hinder delivering oil to europe. He also just announced significant reduction to oil and gas? Literally the opposite of what our NATO allies want him doing.
Trudeau looks like a diplomatic threat working against their interests. Maybe they just say... Canada and their 50 year old broken down unfunded military isnt even a great loss to NATO. We're out.
What happens next? Russia sends some more Tupolev Tu-160 to see how Canada is doing with our CF18s?
Clearly Canada is more than required which is why Trudeau is hypocritically breaking another election promise of not buying F35s.
An unenforceable requirement is worth nothing. There is no punishment if a country doesn't meet the 2% GDP target.
Energy East was cancelled because Quebec was against it, not because he wanted to hinder oil deliveries to Europe. He secured votes in Quebec with the cancellation.
He didn't. Since Trudeau is in power oil production increased by over 30%. Trudeau can be the biggest environmentalist he can, but there is something even more powerful. Money, and oil makes money. Today we produce more oil than at any other point in Canadian history.
There are countries in NATO with an even more desolate military and no one is threatening them to throw them out. Canada could even reduce its military budget and we would be still a core member of NATO just because of the fact that we have the largest access to the Arctic.
As we can see now in Ukraine these Russian planes aren't even a match to basic defenses like Stinger rockets. Our CF18s would destroy them easily.
Times change. And be glad that the clown broke a shitty election promise. Just like with the electoral reform. If he had enacted an electoral reform, the CPC would never form a government again.
Fair point of view, but point I was getting at. Do you really want to risk this?
Oh I understand. Not sure it makes a difference.
This was announced a day ago. https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/new-plan-to-cut-greenhouse-gases-in-canada-tabled-by-environment-minister
42% cut of emissions from oil and gas sector without impacting production? Uh huh... that's not how it works.
Who? Luxumberg is basically the only one worse than Canada.
No, that arctic access is a liability to NATO. It's something Russia clearly wants.
So let me explain what happens. Our radar sees these tu160s coming. We send out CF18s.
Suddenly our CF18s are flaming wrecks landing in the arctic because of SU57s obliterated the shit out of them before the CF18s could even tell they were there. CF18s never fired anything, they didn't even see who shot those a2a.
In terms of russian airforce not showing up to Ukraine? Ya they have lots of S300 type. Russia already took out most military installations. The cost-benefit isnt there to deploy the airforce.
How about canadian arctic? Did we sign onto the missile defence system the USA offered? lol not even harper signed up for that. We have nothing other than the cf18s and hope that our allies keep us from getting dominated. That basically makes nato pretty damned important. Better not risk not meeting our requirements.
Afterall, it's not like im saying anything. Trudeau clearly promised to do this and this is why the 180 on the f35s.
They do indeed.
As we can see now in Ukraine these Russian planes aren't even a match to basic defenses like Stinger rockets. Our CF18s would destroy them easily.
You saw that? I didn't see any of that. I saw Ukrainians begging for old Polish fighters, begging for a no -fly zone. (Stingers are low level shoulder launched. Stay above 15k feet and you're good). This is not how somebody that is winnig the air war would behave. Our air force is not as confident as you concerning its ability to match Russia. Spending a jillion buck to buy F-35 isn't the way somebody would behave if they were convinced of their superiority.
The Russians are also less airpower-centric than we are. Why would they be? The west's airpower is probably unbeatable. On the ground though, the Russians are willing to take losses, us, not so much.