These kinds of statistics are self serving and skewed.
Notice that there is no category for people with one vaxx shot. They are included in the unvaxxed category. Yet studies indicate that if you have one shot and get covid you are actually at greater risk of complications. So they are inflating the numbers of complications for being unvaxxed by including those people who have been put at greater risk by getting one vaxx. Whereas if they has actually been completely unvaxxed they might have been fine.
Secondly unvaxxed includes people with 2 doses if they contract covid within 14 days of the last vaccination. Again, it is fudging the numbers. Were they put at greater risk because of the vaxx? There should be a separate category for people with 1 jab or 2 but who got covid within 14 days.
Finally, these statistics are meaningless if they do not consider over all mortality and hospitalizations. As a thought experiment, let's say that inhaling asbestos saved your from dying of covid - but you ended up dead from asbestos. These statistics ignore the complications of the vaxx and given the fact that in all jurisdictions excess mortality not due to covid is up, and given the fact that we are now dealing with Sudden Adult Death Syndrome you need to consider that even if the vaccinated experience fewer serious complications from covid they may, and in fact likely are, experiencing other problems which are completely ignored in this chart.
no category for people with one vaxx shot. They are included in the unvaxxed category.
So you want to count a jab that is too old to be effective as still good somehow? That doesn't make sense.
Yet studies indicate
What studies?
within 14 days of the last vaccination
Another case where you apparently want something to happen that doesn't. It takes time for your body to react to the vaccine. Fourteen days, apparently.
the complications of the vaxx
What complications? And more importantly: what is their overall effect compared to the damage caused by the virus?
excess mortality not due to covid is up
Fixed that for you. You seem to be assuming - and not providing any proof - that every covid death is counted. You may even be hinting that any excess deaths are caused by the vaccines. If so you'll need proof.
You are setting up straw men arguments, much like the chart you posted.
I am saying that 1 vaxx shot actually increases the risk of hospitalizations. By including one vaxx in the unvaccinated category you are polluting the data and making it meaningless. I am having trouble finding the study I refer to but in any event that the fact that the two subsets are not differentiated makes the "unvaccinated" catch all meaningless. No proper medical study would confound what are two different categories of patients. Find me a chart that breaks it down between zero doses and 1 dose and I think you will see a sharp difference.
So you want to count a jab that is too old to be effective as still good somehow? That doesn't make sense.
By your logic we should include anyone whose last vaccination is over 6 months old in the unvaxxed category since its effects wear off and even the government is now saying there is no such thing as fully vaxxed, just up-to-date, which will soon enough be 4 and more vaxxes.
What complications? And more importantly: what is their overall effect compared to the damage caused by the virus?
The excess risk of serious adverse events of special interest surpassed the risk reduction for COVID-19 hospitalization relative to the placebo group in both Pfizer and Moderna trials (2.3 and 6.4 per 10,000 participants, respectively).:
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4125239
Yes SADS has been around, but it is becoming much more noticeable now. This is only beginning. Like smoking,asbestos and radiation not all lethal substances cause death immediately.
Even Pfizer for its Crominarty vaccine (the only fda approved version of their covid vaccine) discloses that they do not know if the vaccine causes cancer or aggravates existing cancers. In the absence of proof of safety why take this shit when your risk of death is about .02 percent.
I have had covid. I am not that young. It was a miserable 2 weeks but no serious damage. Take some vitamin d, c and zinc and you will be fine.
The Epoch Times is definitely supermarket magazine material. If you read the study it claims to be referencing you will see that of the 20+ million cases they looked at they found a little over 3200 cases of myocarditis and/or pericarditis. The vast majority were treated and recovered without incident. Nine people did die of one or the other, but 8 of them were from the unvaccinated control group. "After a follow-up of 30 days after discharge, 4 (0.24%) deaths among cases of myocarditis (none among exposed to vaccine) and 5 (0.31%) deaths among cases of pericarditis (including one patient having received a vaccine 8 to 21 days prior to the diagnosis) were reported." https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-022-31401-5#Tab2
The excess risk of serious adverse events
Let's see what the peer review results are.
More and more it turns out that the vaxxes arent that safe
And yet your own link says that vaccine is acceptable if no other is available.
And don't think that Pfizer or Moderna are better. There are huge problems
Again, no proof.
but cumulatively there are a lot of possible problems
I am not going to endlessly debate you. But your whole point about people who have died is another fallacy. Very few people have actually died of covid. Most people died with covid. Covid is a very low fatality illness.
The notorious examples of people getting hit by cars or shot to death being listed as covid deaths exemplify the problem in how these things are classified. In most cases the person who died with covid was dying of something else anyway including cancer or other chronic illnesses such as obesity or being very old. The average age for covid deaths is 84, past the average life expectancy.
In fact, in my jurisdiction they used to publish the ages of everyone who died. The most common age here was in the 90s and 100s. I never knew we had so many people in their hundreds. But let's be honest, their time was up anyway. Whether covid got them or the flu, they were not going to live long. There is no reason for the sake of extending their lives for a few months to turn society into a medical apartheid state where the unvaxxed are excluded from jobs, travel and public places.
Now I want you to remember this exchange in a few years time when you have cancer or have developed some neurological disease like MS: the vaxx did that to you. Enjoy.
Also: as far as telling it to the healtcare workers, I would like to tell those insufferable twerking nurses on tiktok and twitter to fuck off and go take care of some patients. Nothing says I am sorry you lost your grandma like doing a sexy dance in scrubs. Insufferable narcissists who should not be in the profession.
These kinds of statistics are self serving and skewed.
Notice that there is no category for people with one vaxx shot. They are included in the unvaxxed category. Yet studies indicate that if you have one shot and get covid you are actually at greater risk of complications. So they are inflating the numbers of complications for being unvaxxed by including those people who have been put at greater risk by getting one vaxx. Whereas if they has actually been completely unvaxxed they might have been fine.
Secondly unvaxxed includes people with 2 doses if they contract covid within 14 days of the last vaccination. Again, it is fudging the numbers. Were they put at greater risk because of the vaxx? There should be a separate category for people with 1 jab or 2 but who got covid within 14 days.
Finally, these statistics are meaningless if they do not consider over all mortality and hospitalizations. As a thought experiment, let's say that inhaling asbestos saved your from dying of covid - but you ended up dead from asbestos. These statistics ignore the complications of the vaxx and given the fact that in all jurisdictions excess mortality not due to covid is up, and given the fact that we are now dealing with Sudden Adult Death Syndrome you need to consider that even if the vaccinated experience fewer serious complications from covid they may, and in fact likely are, experiencing other problems which are completely ignored in this chart.
So you want to count a jab that is too old to be effective as still good somehow? That doesn't make sense.
What studies?
Another case where you apparently want something to happen that doesn't. It takes time for your body to react to the vaccine. Fourteen days, apparently.
What complications? And more importantly: what is their overall effect compared to the damage caused by the virus?
Fixed that for you. You seem to be assuming - and not providing any proof - that every covid death is counted. You may even be hinting that any excess deaths are caused by the vaccines. If so you'll need proof.
It's been around for decades, at least. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudden_arrhythmic_death_syndrome | https://www.sads.org/ | https://www.sads.ca/ ) If you're going to claim it's on the rise due to covid provide some legitimate proof - as in: not supermarket tabloids.
You are setting up straw men arguments, much like the chart you posted.
I am saying that 1 vaxx shot actually increases the risk of hospitalizations. By including one vaxx in the unvaccinated category you are polluting the data and making it meaningless. I am having trouble finding the study I refer to but in any event that the fact that the two subsets are not differentiated makes the "unvaccinated" catch all meaningless. No proper medical study would confound what are two different categories of patients. Find me a chart that breaks it down between zero doses and 1 dose and I think you will see a sharp difference.
By your logic we should include anyone whose last vaccination is over 6 months old in the unvaxxed category since its effects wear off and even the government is now saying there is no such thing as fully vaxxed, just up-to-date, which will soon enough be 4 and more vaxxes.
https://rupreparing.com/news/2022/6/29/moderna-vaccine-increases-myocarditis-risk-by-44-times-in-young-adults-peer-reviewed-study
The excess risk of serious adverse events of special interest surpassed the risk reduction for COVID-19 hospitalization relative to the placebo group in both Pfizer and Moderna trials (2.3 and 6.4 per 10,000 participants, respectively).: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4125239
More and more it turns out that the vaxxes arent that safe. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fda-sharply-limits-use-of-johnson-johnson-shot-due-to-rare-blood-clots/ar-AAWXMNi?cvid=3f49d917f9544722a70771c8c34cae60 Small consolation for the people who took the Jand J shot. And don't think that Pfizer or Moderna are better. There are huge problems with how they ran their initial studies. You'll see.
And then you have more and more studies showing that the vaxx causes dangerous complications. Each of these complications is described as rare, but cumulatively there are a lot of possible problems https://www.journal-of-hepatology.eu/article/S0168-8278(22)00234-3/fulltext
Yes SADS has been around, but it is becoming much more noticeable now. This is only beginning. Like smoking,asbestos and radiation not all lethal substances cause death immediately.
Even Pfizer for its Crominarty vaccine (the only fda approved version of their covid vaccine) discloses that they do not know if the vaccine causes cancer or aggravates existing cancers. In the absence of proof of safety why take this shit when your risk of death is about .02 percent.
I have had covid. I am not that young. It was a miserable 2 weeks but no serious damage. Take some vitamin d, c and zinc and you will be fine.
FYI You’re debating with a car mechanic. Who relies of Politifact and Politico to submit to forced medical procedures.
Don’t sweat it when your common sense goes way over a car mechanics head.
No worries. I am just sick of the vaxx death cult. They managed to take a lot from me with their smug confidently incorrect self righteousness.
The chart is a count. I'm not distorting anyone's point. https://owl.excelsior.edu/argument-and-critical-thinking/logical-fallacies/logical-fallacies-straw-man/
And providing no proof. Find your own charts.
Tell the chart makers that.
The Epoch Times is definitely supermarket magazine material. If you read the study it claims to be referencing you will see that of the 20+ million cases they looked at they found a little over 3200 cases of myocarditis and/or pericarditis. The vast majority were treated and recovered without incident. Nine people did die of one or the other, but 8 of them were from the unvaccinated control group. "After a follow-up of 30 days after discharge, 4 (0.24%) deaths among cases of myocarditis (none among exposed to vaccine) and 5 (0.31%) deaths among cases of pericarditis (including one patient having received a vaccine 8 to 21 days prior to the diagnosis) were reported." https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-022-31401-5#Tab2
Let's see what the peer review results are.
And yet your own link says that vaccine is acceptable if no other is available.
Again, no proof.
Over 12 billion shots have been delivered. https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/ Over six million people have died from the virus. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ Where's your proof that the your "possible problems" add up to a greater threat than the virus?
Where's your proof?
Really? Tell that to the people missing the ones who died. And the healthcare workers.
I am not going to endlessly debate you. But your whole point about people who have died is another fallacy. Very few people have actually died of covid. Most people died with covid. Covid is a very low fatality illness.
The notorious examples of people getting hit by cars or shot to death being listed as covid deaths exemplify the problem in how these things are classified. In most cases the person who died with covid was dying of something else anyway including cancer or other chronic illnesses such as obesity or being very old. The average age for covid deaths is 84, past the average life expectancy.
In fact, in my jurisdiction they used to publish the ages of everyone who died. The most common age here was in the 90s and 100s. I never knew we had so many people in their hundreds. But let's be honest, their time was up anyway. Whether covid got them or the flu, they were not going to live long. There is no reason for the sake of extending their lives for a few months to turn society into a medical apartheid state where the unvaxxed are excluded from jobs, travel and public places.
Now I want you to remember this exchange in a few years time when you have cancer or have developed some neurological disease like MS: the vaxx did that to you. Enjoy.
Also: as far as telling it to the healtcare workers, I would like to tell those insufferable twerking nurses on tiktok and twitter to fuck off and go take care of some patients. Nothing says I am sorry you lost your grandma like doing a sexy dance in scrubs. Insufferable narcissists who should not be in the profession.