I am not going to endlessly debate you. But your whole point about people who have died is another fallacy. Very few people have actually died of covid. Most people died with covid. Covid is a very low fatality illness.
The notorious examples of people getting hit by cars or shot to death being listed as covid deaths exemplify the problem in how these things are classified. In most cases the person who died with covid was dying of something else anyway including cancer or other chronic illnesses such as obesity or being very old. The average age for covid deaths is 84, past the average life expectancy.
In fact, in my jurisdiction they used to publish the ages of everyone who died. The most common age here was in the 90s and 100s. I never knew we had so many people in their hundreds. But let's be honest, their time was up anyway. Whether covid got them or the flu, they were not going to live long. There is no reason for the sake of extending their lives for a few months to turn society into a medical apartheid state where the unvaxxed are excluded from jobs, travel and public places.
Now I want you to remember this exchange in a few years time when you have cancer or have developed some neurological disease like MS: the vaxx did that to you. Enjoy.
Also: as far as telling it to the healtcare workers, I would like to tell those insufferable twerking nurses on tiktok and twitter to fuck off and go take care of some patients. Nothing says I am sorry you lost your grandma like doing a sexy dance in scrubs. Insufferable narcissists who should not be in the profession.
What percentage of people who get covid do you think actually die from it?
You do realize that the risk of death for someone who does not have a preexisting chronic condition is almost zero, right?
The total case fatality rate is: 1.1 percent (taking into account even the high death toll at the beginning of the disease). This percentage is the average total risk of death for all age groups. But obviously the risk will be higher for the old and the sick with preexisting chronic conditions and lower for the young. So 1,1 percent is a bit scare-mongerish.
https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid
But as the website points out, the actual risk of death if you are infected is much lower because many cases of covid are not counted and some cases that are counted as death should not be. In other words, the case fatality rate is the percentage of people known to have been infected to are considered to have died with covid. But in many cases, people who get covid were not included in the total so their survival was not recorded, leading to a higher case fatality rate. For example, as in my case, people who were diagnosed at home with a rapid antigen test are not included in that statistic. Plus the death toll at the beginning of the pandemic was much higher. 20 percent of people infected were dying in Wuhan in early 2020. But as treatment improved (and I am not talking about vaccines, but rather the fact that doctors realized that intubation was not a good treatment option, for example) the death rate plummetted. Even if you look at the period prior to the vaccines, the death rate was already below 1 percent.
In addition, some deaths should not be included at all but since they are they tend to increase the case fatality rate. If they were properly excluded the death rate would be lower than 1,1 percent. For example, In the UK, they listed anyone who died within 6 months of having had covid as a covid death. This meant that if you literally got hit by a bus months after recovering, you were counted as a covid death. And by the way, why is the same methodology not applied to the vaxxes. Isnt it convenient that they do not count anyone who died within 6 months of getting the vaxx as a vaxx death. Not that I think they should, but you can see the unequal treatment of the two questions.
In contrast to the risk of dying from covid - even using the official but skewed statistics, the risk of dying from tetanus is about 6 percent. The risk of dying from Seasonal flu (US) is 0.1 to 0.2% for the entire population, but of course both covid and flu affect the elderly and the sick much more so individual risk may be higher or lower.
For healthy people both covid and the flu pose a negligible risk. There is no reason to force mass vaccination or impose segregation against the unvaxxed since the covid vaccine does not prevent infection or transmission of covid. Even if we accepted your belief that the vaxx reduces the risk of mortality from covid without increasing the risk of death from other vaxx induced diseases, there is no need because you would be reducing an almost imperceptible risk. If the overall risk of death for the entire population is 1.1 percent, this is not distributed equally among all age groups or other factors. The elderly and people with diabetes may have a risk higher than 1.1 percent but the risk for a healthy 30 year old is almost zero.
There might be a case to be made for vaccinating 90 year olds in care homes because their risk of dying from covid is much higher than the average person and because their remaining life expectancy is so low that any problems from these untested mrna modifications may not even manifest themselves in the remaining time.
What percentage of people who get covid do you think actually die from it?
How many people have had the virus? No one knows, so any percentage is a guess. But over 6 million people have died of it. How many will it take for you to GAF?
I was visiting my sister in the hospital and one of the nurses told me about an unvaxxed guy with covid who spent three weeks in the ICU on a ventilator, and when he recovered he went home and told his friends on Facebook that he "beat the virus without getting vaccinated". It's a personal anecdote and doesn't count, but you remind me of that guy.
As for the people who die of other things but have covid: they are recorded for contact tracing purposes, not as cause of death. From your own link: "The I-Team found eight cases in which a person was counted as a COVID death, but did not have COVID listed as a cause of contributing cause of death."
Exactly, but you are drawing the wrong conclusions.
The fact that there are more undiagnosed cases of covid means that the lethality is actually lower. Dead people tend to be autopsied and their cause of death determined. The ones who beat it on their own are not counted. As I stated, I am one of the uncounted because I developed symptoms and diagnosed with a rapid antigen home test. There was no requirement to report. Millions of others did the same especially after omicron came and it overwhelmed government centers. If you included those numbers in the total, the percentage of death from covid is even less than 1.1 percent.
Even if 6 million died of covid you are in fact confusing high infection rate with high lethality. In fact it has a very low fatality rate. The only reason there are so many dead is because so many got infected at the same time. In most cases the disease simply accelerated death from preexisting conditions. It is sad to lose some life expectancy, but it is not a reason to force the healthy and relatively young to play guinea pigs with a vaccine or lose their livelihoods and freedom. In Canada there were editorials and opinion polls advocating for the imprisonment of the unvaxxed until the freedom convoy knocked some sense into politicians. The reality is that even the common cold kills people. If you infect enough people with a relatively benign virus like chicken pox or the cold you will still have mass casualties. People have freaked out over covid because the risk has been hyped and they also confuse vaccination with prevention of disease and transmission, which these vaccines do not accomplish (though they initially lied and said they were 94 percent effective at preventing infection).
You are yourself relying on anecdotes. I know nothing about the man your sister told you about and what preexisting conditions he had. I know that if health care professionals were not so obsessed about vaccines and instead recommended weight reduction, benign and proven immune boosting supplements like vitamin d,c,zinc the death toll would be much lower. The health profession is guilty of many unnecessary deaths by failing to give common sense advice and focusing on the vaccines. I won't even go into the unfair libeling of ivermectin which many studies have found to be effective and remains a recommended drug by the World Health Organization for the treatment of the closely related form of Sars-1.
You are pointing to the fact that their review turned up some wrongly classified deaths and I assume you mean that the number is trivial. It is hard to say. That is only one probe. There is an ocean of statistics and cases to sift through and no one ever will.
I do have a problem with a system that classified anyone who dies within 6 months of covid as a covid death. This has been a universal standard in the UK and in Canada. It's curious - and telling - that no such statistical approach is used to gauge the mortality and side effects of the vaccine. We have seen, for example, dramatic drops in birthrates throughout the western world following the rollout of vaccines, yet no association is made. We have also seen an increase in SADS and yet explanations like climate change, marijuana, etc are rolled out - all except the elephant in the room.
No one is stopping anyone from taking the vaccine but it is criminally negligent and barbaric to strip people of everything they have worked for, their careers, their freedom to travel, their freedom to associate with others, their freedom to enjoy life, just because they choose to take the small risk that this disease actually entails. I could see the argument if failing to vaccinate put others at risk, but it does not. And don't even use the you are overloading the health system argument. Because if you go there then they should be barring lifestyle diabetics,fatties, druggies and others from the health system but in fact they take up a disproportionate percentage of all health care resources. The city where I live is out millions of dollars in ambulance fees just from collecting junkies and drunks and bringing them to the emergency room which is overloaded with them. Yet you never see editorials suggesting we ban these self inflicted patients from the health care system. I on the other hand had to read editorials in the National Post and others recommending I lose the right to medicare, which I would still have to pay for, or have to pay a special tax to access health care.
Others called for my imprisonment and complete banishment from society.
If you have ever wondered how the Holocaust happened, you saw the beginnings of it here - how a government run propaganda effort managed to brand a significant segment of law abiding citizens as filthy maggots worthy of death.
I am sorry you have bought into the lies they have fed you. I encourage you to do more research and I think you will see I am not wrong. Although it won't save you from whatever damage the vaxxines have already caused you, it might save you from further damage as they start pushing more and more booster shots - since, by the way, no one has studied the cumulative effect of these things beyond two doses. But if the experience in highly vaxxed Israel is any indication it is not good - the vaccines seem to lower natural immunity leading to an ever increasing dependence on more shots to keep the covid at bay.
I am not going to endlessly debate you. But your whole point about people who have died is another fallacy. Very few people have actually died of covid. Most people died with covid. Covid is a very low fatality illness.
The notorious examples of people getting hit by cars or shot to death being listed as covid deaths exemplify the problem in how these things are classified. In most cases the person who died with covid was dying of something else anyway including cancer or other chronic illnesses such as obesity or being very old. The average age for covid deaths is 84, past the average life expectancy.
In fact, in my jurisdiction they used to publish the ages of everyone who died. The most common age here was in the 90s and 100s. I never knew we had so many people in their hundreds. But let's be honest, their time was up anyway. Whether covid got them or the flu, they were not going to live long. There is no reason for the sake of extending their lives for a few months to turn society into a medical apartheid state where the unvaxxed are excluded from jobs, travel and public places.
Now I want you to remember this exchange in a few years time when you have cancer or have developed some neurological disease like MS: the vaxx did that to you. Enjoy.
Also: as far as telling it to the healtcare workers, I would like to tell those insufferable twerking nurses on tiktok and twitter to fuck off and go take care of some patients. Nothing says I am sorry you lost your grandma like doing a sexy dance in scrubs. Insufferable narcissists who should not be in the profession.
Your unsupported opinions are noted.
I hope anyone else reading them doesn't automatically assume you know what you're talking about.
What percentage of people who get covid do you think actually die from it?
You do realize that the risk of death for someone who does not have a preexisting chronic condition is almost zero, right?
The total case fatality rate is: 1.1 percent (taking into account even the high death toll at the beginning of the disease). This percentage is the average total risk of death for all age groups. But obviously the risk will be higher for the old and the sick with preexisting chronic conditions and lower for the young. So 1,1 percent is a bit scare-mongerish. https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid
But as the website points out, the actual risk of death if you are infected is much lower because many cases of covid are not counted and some cases that are counted as death should not be. In other words, the case fatality rate is the percentage of people known to have been infected to are considered to have died with covid. But in many cases, people who get covid were not included in the total so their survival was not recorded, leading to a higher case fatality rate. For example, as in my case, people who were diagnosed at home with a rapid antigen test are not included in that statistic. Plus the death toll at the beginning of the pandemic was much higher. 20 percent of people infected were dying in Wuhan in early 2020. But as treatment improved (and I am not talking about vaccines, but rather the fact that doctors realized that intubation was not a good treatment option, for example) the death rate plummetted. Even if you look at the period prior to the vaccines, the death rate was already below 1 percent.
In addition, some deaths should not be included at all but since they are they tend to increase the case fatality rate. If they were properly excluded the death rate would be lower than 1,1 percent. For example, In the UK, they listed anyone who died within 6 months of having had covid as a covid death. This meant that if you literally got hit by a bus months after recovering, you were counted as a covid death. And by the way, why is the same methodology not applied to the vaxxes. Isnt it convenient that they do not count anyone who died within 6 months of getting the vaxx as a vaxx death. Not that I think they should, but you can see the unequal treatment of the two questions.
As sauce for what I am saying: https://denvergazette.com/news/new-zealand-man-who-died-of-gunshot-wound-to-be-recorded-as-covid-19-death/article_f33fe779-8294-5e91-96c6-a5cb00923a5e.html
https://cbs12.com/news/local/i-team-deaths-incorrectly-attributed-to-covid-19-in-palm-beach-county: examples, 90 year old with parkinsons, a man infected with covid who died in a motorcycle accident.
In contrast to the risk of dying from covid - even using the official but skewed statistics, the risk of dying from tetanus is about 6 percent. The risk of dying from Seasonal flu (US) is 0.1 to 0.2% for the entire population, but of course both covid and flu affect the elderly and the sick much more so individual risk may be higher or lower.
For healthy people both covid and the flu pose a negligible risk. There is no reason to force mass vaccination or impose segregation against the unvaxxed since the covid vaccine does not prevent infection or transmission of covid. Even if we accepted your belief that the vaxx reduces the risk of mortality from covid without increasing the risk of death from other vaxx induced diseases, there is no need because you would be reducing an almost imperceptible risk. If the overall risk of death for the entire population is 1.1 percent, this is not distributed equally among all age groups or other factors. The elderly and people with diabetes may have a risk higher than 1.1 percent but the risk for a healthy 30 year old is almost zero.
There might be a case to be made for vaccinating 90 year olds in care homes because their risk of dying from covid is much higher than the average person and because their remaining life expectancy is so low that any problems from these untested mrna modifications may not even manifest themselves in the remaining time.
How many people have had the virus? No one knows, so any percentage is a guess. But over 6 million people have died of it. How many will it take for you to GAF?
I was visiting my sister in the hospital and one of the nurses told me about an unvaxxed guy with covid who spent three weeks in the ICU on a ventilator, and when he recovered he went home and told his friends on Facebook that he "beat the virus without getting vaccinated". It's a personal anecdote and doesn't count, but you remind me of that guy.
As for the people who die of other things but have covid: they are recorded for contact tracing purposes, not as cause of death. From your own link: "The I-Team found eight cases in which a person was counted as a COVID death, but did not have COVID listed as a cause of contributing cause of death."
Exactly, but you are drawing the wrong conclusions.
The fact that there are more undiagnosed cases of covid means that the lethality is actually lower. Dead people tend to be autopsied and their cause of death determined. The ones who beat it on their own are not counted. As I stated, I am one of the uncounted because I developed symptoms and diagnosed with a rapid antigen home test. There was no requirement to report. Millions of others did the same especially after omicron came and it overwhelmed government centers. If you included those numbers in the total, the percentage of death from covid is even less than 1.1 percent.
Even if 6 million died of covid you are in fact confusing high infection rate with high lethality. In fact it has a very low fatality rate. The only reason there are so many dead is because so many got infected at the same time. In most cases the disease simply accelerated death from preexisting conditions. It is sad to lose some life expectancy, but it is not a reason to force the healthy and relatively young to play guinea pigs with a vaccine or lose their livelihoods and freedom. In Canada there were editorials and opinion polls advocating for the imprisonment of the unvaxxed until the freedom convoy knocked some sense into politicians. The reality is that even the common cold kills people. If you infect enough people with a relatively benign virus like chicken pox or the cold you will still have mass casualties. People have freaked out over covid because the risk has been hyped and they also confuse vaccination with prevention of disease and transmission, which these vaccines do not accomplish (though they initially lied and said they were 94 percent effective at preventing infection).
You are yourself relying on anecdotes. I know nothing about the man your sister told you about and what preexisting conditions he had. I know that if health care professionals were not so obsessed about vaccines and instead recommended weight reduction, benign and proven immune boosting supplements like vitamin d,c,zinc the death toll would be much lower. The health profession is guilty of many unnecessary deaths by failing to give common sense advice and focusing on the vaccines. I won't even go into the unfair libeling of ivermectin which many studies have found to be effective and remains a recommended drug by the World Health Organization for the treatment of the closely related form of Sars-1.
You are pointing to the fact that their review turned up some wrongly classified deaths and I assume you mean that the number is trivial. It is hard to say. That is only one probe. There is an ocean of statistics and cases to sift through and no one ever will.
I do have a problem with a system that classified anyone who dies within 6 months of covid as a covid death. This has been a universal standard in the UK and in Canada. It's curious - and telling - that no such statistical approach is used to gauge the mortality and side effects of the vaccine. We have seen, for example, dramatic drops in birthrates throughout the western world following the rollout of vaccines, yet no association is made. We have also seen an increase in SADS and yet explanations like climate change, marijuana, etc are rolled out - all except the elephant in the room.
No one is stopping anyone from taking the vaccine but it is criminally negligent and barbaric to strip people of everything they have worked for, their careers, their freedom to travel, their freedom to associate with others, their freedom to enjoy life, just because they choose to take the small risk that this disease actually entails. I could see the argument if failing to vaccinate put others at risk, but it does not. And don't even use the you are overloading the health system argument. Because if you go there then they should be barring lifestyle diabetics,fatties, druggies and others from the health system but in fact they take up a disproportionate percentage of all health care resources. The city where I live is out millions of dollars in ambulance fees just from collecting junkies and drunks and bringing them to the emergency room which is overloaded with them. Yet you never see editorials suggesting we ban these self inflicted patients from the health care system. I on the other hand had to read editorials in the National Post and others recommending I lose the right to medicare, which I would still have to pay for, or have to pay a special tax to access health care.
Others called for my imprisonment and complete banishment from society.
If you have ever wondered how the Holocaust happened, you saw the beginnings of it here - how a government run propaganda effort managed to brand a significant segment of law abiding citizens as filthy maggots worthy of death.
I am sorry you have bought into the lies they have fed you. I encourage you to do more research and I think you will see I am not wrong. Although it won't save you from whatever damage the vaxxines have already caused you, it might save you from further damage as they start pushing more and more booster shots - since, by the way, no one has studied the cumulative effect of these things beyond two doses. But if the experience in highly vaxxed Israel is any indication it is not good - the vaccines seem to lower natural immunity leading to an ever increasing dependence on more shots to keep the covid at bay.