You'll find a number of graphs that can be adjusted to show the ratios between vaccinated and unvaccinated people for a variety of scenarios: age, cases, hospitalizations and deaths.There are 25 different pictures like the one in OP's post if you cycle through all the options.
Twenty four of them show the advantages of being vaccinated.
OP has chosen to show you the 25th. It involves case counts, which do not include the people who aren't sick enough to get tested.
Do not take my word for this. Go there and check those graphs yourself.
You deflected. Let me deflect. When talking about how well the vaccine works, you also need to take into account vaccine injuries and whether the vaccine might cause deaths from things other than covid (all-cause mortality).
What do you know... vaccinated are dying at a higher rate. But at least some of them are not dying of covid, amirite?
And, these stats are only up to September, 2021. It's worse now. And, this does not even include vaccine injuries that devastate many peoples' lives, some of whom probably wish they were dead rather than deal with their new vaccine injuries.
And they chose the numbers for "Cases" which - since Omicron infection is relatively mild and spreads so fast - are impossible to count. Furthermore there are four options for "Cases" and the other three show the advantage of being vaccinated.
They could have chosen "Hospitalizations". It's much closer to a real-world indication because parents tend to take their kids in when they're really sick. If you take the trouble to look at the "Hospitalization" graphs for kids all four options show the advantage of being vaccinated.
So out of the eight options for kids they chose the only one that fits their narrative and never mentioned that the other data was presented.
Let me deflect.
They have doubts about Figure 4, the one you like:
"However, because this group includes such a wide age range it is possible that this potentially extremely disturbing statistic remains strongly confounded by age. Therefore, without a finer age categorisation it is impossible to tell what the actual difference in all-cause deaths might be. Why the age confounding was not apparent in weeks 1 to 5 when only the most vulnerable were being vaccinated remains unexplained. Where age groups are narrower, 60-69, 70-79 and 80+, the age confounding effects are somewhat mitigated, and the data appear to show (in each of these age groups) a lower all-cause mortality for the vaccinated, compared to the unvaccinated. See Figures 5, 6 and 7. "
And Figures 5, 6, and 7 all show the advantage of being vaccinated.
So, young people skew the stats, eh? Damn young people dying because of the covid vaccines ruins the stats for everybody.
Look at the charts, though...See the trajectory? The trajectory is going in the wrong direction. These stats are up to Sept, 2021. Recent stats will be worse. We won't see the recent stats for a few more months, at least.
They are not complaining about young people.: "Therefore, without a finer age categorisation it is impossible to tell what the actual difference in all-cause deaths might be."
So did you uh, adjust for the margin of error of dead unvaxxed who can no longer be infected? Are unvaxxed their own category or are they being added as outliers to affect the data?
Higher chances of being re infected literally means just more likely to survive infection.
Higher susceptibility to the same amount of rona would mean something, but that's not what this proves.
I came across a saying the other day.. "Every Conservative accusation is a confession" This reply is rife with projection and cognitive dissonance, and I hope you actually take the time to process what I have to say.
"The only way anything makes sense in your twisted world is if the jabs were necessary"
That's true. If the jabs were even a little necessary, and not taking them left you at great risk for absolutely no reason, I would make sense - wouldn't I?
"It's nothing more than a bad flu"
You know, the flu does kill people every year. And people do get the flu shot. People in health care need to get the shot even as intern students because their close contact means that they actually probably might die or become severely ill if they don't get the shot. The flu shot is only 50% effective generally, if you didn't know. And people still do it even though it hurts, you can feel icky or whatever - maybe it'll give you autism or whatever the russian disinfo bots are spreading these days.
Covid has been killing people. Infants as young as 4 have actually died. Old enough for memories, old enough for covid. Teenagers actually have died. Why the absolute FUCK would we not give them any chance their immune systems have to fight off a virus that can be found in all four corners of the world now in multiple mutations? If more people have studied it, and understnad it, and if you're doing anything other than the scientific method to ascertain truth then just.. stop it. get some help.
You have shown to repeatedly promote fraud and harm.
You basically promote assault/battery and murder.
Wow that sounds a lot like promoting something that would put you at undue risk for no reason. Like going unvaxxed?
This data's not 14 days old yet. Please tell me how I'm living in the twisted world?
Unvaccinated 12-34 year-olds in Washington are
• 1.6 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with 12-34 year-olds who have completed the
primary series.
• 3.3 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with 12-34 year-olds who have
completed the primary series.
Unvaccinated 35-64 year-olds are
• 1.7 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with 35 - 64 year-olds who have completed the
primary series.
• 3.7 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with 35 - 64 year-olds who have
completed the primary series.
Unvaccinated 65+ year-olds are
• 2.2 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with 65+ year-olds who have completed the
primary series.
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• 3.6 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with 65+ year-olds who have
completed the primary series.
• 3 times more likely to die of COVID-19 compared with 65+ year-olds who have completed the
primary series.
I'm basically a cultist. Me and 12.5 billion shots of "mystery juice" worth. Of stuff that's proven to make you live longer, and avoiding will increase chance of death by 300%. Sure buddy.
Honestly look at your words in the every accusation is a confession lens it's insane how you don't see it. Like maybe you're satire idk honestly it's probable that you're just content with having a personality that's analogous with the party that sells third world living conditions on the common man in order for businesses to be able to pay politicians more in bribes and also fuck the environment for no reason even when it costs more and gives no benefit. You do you bro. Sure the ladies are crawling over themselves to message you first on bumble, unless you actively pretend to be a normal rational person to lure them within striking distance like some conservatives have to do.
Everything you’ve ever posted is copied from Reddit or CTV news. You don’t have the ability to even question the TV experts who’ve been repeatedly wrong or question their flawed science. You just do as your told.
Why are you refusing to follow your own science? We can’t wait until Trudeau mandates the 4th and 5th booster, you will be forced to submit to more RNA altering injections with unknown fatality data. lol
Good chart, but bad math…
62.4% more likely
12.9% more likely
Just saying that Minnesota Department of Public Health can't even do math. If they stuck to the same format, it would be:
1.76X instead of 0.6X
1.13X instead of 0.9X
Even when vaccines are clearly not working, they're misrepresenting it. I'm sure they know how to do math and are doing this on purpose.
Thanks to U/1CUnurse who pointed out that this image does not show unvaccinated.kids as a separate group.
If anyone is wondering what this means I urge you to go to follow OP's link to the source of their picture: https://www.health.state.mn.us/diseases/coronavirus/stats/vbt.html#vbtadult1
You'll find a number of graphs that can be adjusted to show the ratios between vaccinated and unvaccinated people for a variety of scenarios: age, cases, hospitalizations and deaths.There are 25 different pictures like the one in OP's post if you cycle through all the options.
Twenty four of them show the advantages of being vaccinated.
OP has chosen to show you the 25th. It involves case counts, which do not include the people who aren't sick enough to get tested.
Do not take my word for this. Go there and check those graphs yourself.
He was specifically talking about kids.
You deflected. Let me deflect. When talking about how well the vaccine works, you also need to take into account vaccine injuries and whether the vaccine might cause deaths from things other than covid (all-cause mortality).
The risk/benefit of Covid vaccines is arguably most accurately measured by comparing the all-cause mortality rate of vaccinated against unvaccinated, since it not only avoids most confounders relating to case definition but also fulfils the WHO/CDC definition of "vaccine effectiveness" for mortality.
What do you know... vaccinated are dying at a higher rate. But at least some of them are not dying of covid, amirite?
And, these stats are only up to September, 2021. It's worse now. And, this does not even include vaccine injuries that devastate many peoples' lives, some of whom probably wish they were dead rather than deal with their new vaccine injuries.
And they chose the numbers for "Cases" which - since Omicron infection is relatively mild and spreads so fast - are impossible to count. Furthermore there are four options for "Cases" and the other three show the advantage of being vaccinated.
They could have chosen "Hospitalizations". It's much closer to a real-world indication because parents tend to take their kids in when they're really sick. If you take the trouble to look at the "Hospitalization" graphs for kids all four options show the advantage of being vaccinated.
So out of the eight options for kids they chose the only one that fits their narrative and never mentioned that the other data was presented.
They have doubts about Figure 4, the one you like:
"However, because this group includes such a wide age range it is possible that this potentially extremely disturbing statistic remains strongly confounded by age. Therefore, without a finer age categorisation it is impossible to tell what the actual difference in all-cause deaths might be. Why the age confounding was not apparent in weeks 1 to 5 when only the most vulnerable were being vaccinated remains unexplained. Where age groups are narrower, 60-69, 70-79 and 80+, the age confounding effects are somewhat mitigated, and the data appear to show (in each of these age groups) a lower all-cause mortality for the vaccinated, compared to the unvaccinated. See Figures 5, 6 and 7. "
And Figures 5, 6, and 7 all show the advantage of being vaccinated.
So, young people skew the stats, eh? Damn young people dying because of the covid vaccines ruins the stats for everybody.
Look at the charts, though...See the trajectory? The trajectory is going in the wrong direction. These stats are up to Sept, 2021. Recent stats will be worse. We won't see the recent stats for a few more months, at least.
You haven't presented any evidence of that yet. Neither has OP.
Except for that stats that you specifically pointed out.
They are not complaining about young people.: "Therefore, without a finer age categorisation it is impossible to tell what the actual difference in all-cause deaths might be."
Can you even comprehend what this means? Too many young people dying skew the stats for the rest of the age groups.
So did you uh, adjust for the margin of error of dead unvaxxed who can no longer be infected? Are unvaxxed their own category or are they being added as outliers to affect the data?
Higher chances of being re infected literally means just more likely to survive infection.
Higher susceptibility to the same amount of rona would mean something, but that's not what this proves.
I came across a saying the other day.. "Every Conservative accusation is a confession" This reply is rife with projection and cognitive dissonance, and I hope you actually take the time to process what I have to say.
Covid has been killing people. Infants as young as 4 have actually died. Old enough for memories, old enough for covid. Teenagers actually have died. Why the absolute FUCK would we not give them any chance their immune systems have to fight off a virus that can be found in all four corners of the world now in multiple mutations? If more people have studied it, and understnad it, and if you're doing anything other than the scientific method to ascertain truth then just.. stop it. get some help.
Wow that sounds a lot like promoting something that would put you at undue risk for no reason. Like going unvaxxed?
This data's not 14 days old yet. Please tell me how I'm living in the twisted world?
Unvaccinated 12-34 year-olds in Washington are • 1.6 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with 12-34 year-olds who have completed the primary series. • 3.3 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with 12-34 year-olds who have completed the primary series. Unvaccinated 35-64 year-olds are • 1.7 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with 35 - 64 year-olds who have completed the primary series. • 3.7 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with 35 - 64 year-olds who have completed the primary series. Unvaccinated 65+ year-olds are • 2.2 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with 65+ year-olds who have completed the primary series. 4 • 3.6 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with 65+ year-olds who have completed the primary series. • 3 times more likely to die of COVID-19 compared with 65+ year-olds who have completed the primary series.
Get triggered idiot
Enjoy dying on your special little hill
I'm basically a cultist. Me and 12.5 billion shots of "mystery juice" worth. Of stuff that's proven to make you live longer, and avoiding will increase chance of death by 300%. Sure buddy.
Honestly look at your words in the every accusation is a confession lens it's insane how you don't see it. Like maybe you're satire idk honestly it's probable that you're just content with having a personality that's analogous with the party that sells third world living conditions on the common man in order for businesses to be able to pay politicians more in bribes and also fuck the environment for no reason even when it costs more and gives no benefit. You do you bro. Sure the ladies are crawling over themselves to message you first on bumble, unless you actively pretend to be a normal rational person to lure them within striking distance like some conservatives have to do.
Why are you refusing the booster Ultrafucked? Why are you refusing to follow your own TV experts??
Why are you so afraid of the third mRNA injection?
Everything you’ve ever posted is copied from Reddit or CTV news. You don’t have the ability to even question the TV experts who’ve been repeatedly wrong or question their flawed science. You just do as your told.
covid has the same mortality rate as the flu in children, effectively zero
WHY ARE YOU REFUSING THE BOOSTER ULTRAFUCKED?
Why are you refusing to follow your own science? We can’t wait until Trudeau mandates the 4th and 5th booster, you will be forced to submit to more RNA altering injections with unknown fatality data. lol
Thanks greed is good invaluable input and presumably contribution to the world at large.