the delusional assumption that me getting vaccinated would have in some way reduced their death rate.
Not quite. Statistics for the vaccinated / unvaccinated populations show that when you do get the virus the you will take up more healthcare systems resources than if you had been vaccinated.
That's hardly correct even by the government's own statistics - adjusting for percentage of population of vaccinated versus unvaccinated, the vaccinated are being hospitalized in greater numbers and this is clear from the Ontario and BC official statistics. And this is before we find that they are playing with the numbers to make them less damning. For their purposes people with 1 vaxx dose or 2 vaxx doses but who get covid within 14 days of the last dose are treated as unvaxxed and counted among the vaxxed. By any logical approach those 2 groups should be counted separately as sui generis categories. Or a lesser evil would be to count them among the vaxxed since they have more in common with that group. They don't because 1 does actually increases the risk of death and hospitalization when you look at the statistics for that group.
adjusting for percentage of population of vaccinated versus unvaccinated, the vaccinated are being hospitalized in greater numbers and this is clear from the Ontario and BC official statistics.
I suppose it would be if you came up with those statistics. Why don't you do that, and link to them so we can all see them?
are treated as unvaxxed
Nothing wrong with that if the evidence is that your body takes time to build up the resistance fostered by the vaccines. Show us the science that says the vaccines are 100% effective on day 1.
when you look at the statistics
Produce those statistics and a link to them.
Meanwhile I'll repeat some numbers that I've posted earlier. You can tell the folks what's wrong with them:
September 8, 2022 "In this cross-sectional study of US adults hospitalized with COVID-19 during January 2022 to April 2022 (during Omicron variant predominance), COVID-19-associated hospitalization rates were 10.5 times higher in unvaccinated persons and 2.5 times higher in vaccinated persons with no booster dose, respectively, compared with those who had received a booster dose." https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2796235
November 16, 2022 "Unvaccinated 12-34 year-olds in Washington are
• 2 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with 12-34 year-olds who have completed the primary series.
• 4.1 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with 12-34 year-olds who have completed the primary series.
Unvaccinated 35-64 year-olds are
• 1.7 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with 35 - 64 year-olds who have completed the primary series.
• 3.5 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with 35 - 64 year-olds who have completed the primary series.
Unvaccinated 65+ year-olds are
• 2.2 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with 65+ year-olds who have completed the primary series.
• 3.3 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with 65+ year-olds who have completed the primary series.
Tuchidiocy cannot be cured and there is no vaxx for it.
Btw I already gave you the stats and the supporting links including Canadian government websites but apparently that is not good enough for you because it conflicts with your programming. Unlike you I have a life and will not repeat myself.
Your links about corporate malfeasance are just pointing out that the sky is blue, unless you also refuse to deal with all of the other corporations that have been convicted of something. I gave you a list of 100 of them. I have no doubt you haven't looked at it. Here it is again: https://www.corporatecrimereporter.com/top100.html
Your links about comorbidities are also irrelevant. Everybody knows the old and the sick are more vulnerable. The part you ignore is that there are people with medical conditions that have nothing to do with age or lifestyle who are also vulnerable. Here's a by-no-means-complete list of things that can give you or your loved ones an extra-hard time with covid: asthma, cancer, cerebral palsy, chronic bronchitis, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), cystic fibrosis, diabetes, emphysema, epilepsy, high blood pressure, kidney disease, motor neurone disease (MND), multiple sclerosis (MS), neurofibromatosis, parkinson's disease, pneumonia, sleep apnea, ...
Then there are the people taking immunosuppressive medications after organ transplants or for conditions such as addison disease, matomyositis, graves disease, hashimoto thyroiditis, pernicious anemia, arthritis, lupus, and others.
I already gave you the stats and the supporting links including Canadian government websites
Sure you did. You just can't find them now, I guess.
Tell the folks what's wrong with these sites:
September 8, 2022 "In this cross-sectional study of US adults hospitalized with COVID-19 during January 2022 to April 2022 (during Omicron variant predominance), COVID-19-associated hospitalization rates were 10.5 times higher in unvaccinated persons and 2.5 times higher in vaccinated persons with no booster dose, respectively, compared with those who had received a booster dose." https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2796235
November 16, 2022 "Unvaccinated 12-34 year-olds in Washington are
• 2 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with 12-34 year-olds who have completed the primary series.
• 4.1 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with 12-34 year-olds who have completed the primary series.
Unvaccinated 35-64 year-olds are
• 1.7 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with 35 - 64 year-olds who have completed the primary series.
• 3.5 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with 35 - 64 year-olds who have completed the primary series.
Unvaccinated 65+ year-olds are
• 2.2 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with 65+ year-olds who have completed the primary series.
• 3.3 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with 65+ year-olds who have completed the primary series.
Not quite. Statistics for the vaccinated / unvaccinated populations show that when you do get the virus the you will take up more healthcare systems resources than if you had been vaccinated.
If you followed your logic, you would be ranting against the fatties and the addicts (to booze, drugs, smoking or sugar) who take up most of the health care resources. Instead of being a vaxx evangelist you should be promoting healthy diet and exercise. Every one of your posts should be about that. After all, exercise and healthy eating have proven medical benefits and no downside. They even improve your odds of not dying or getting complications from covid since that is one of your concerns.
But I bet you fall into one or more of those categories so they get a pass. I am guessing a fat smoker.
Actually you are just displaying your unsupported tuchidiotic opinion. Look at you trying to actually deny the obvious.
Lifestyle related illnesses, especially from addictions and obesity are the leading cause of hospitalization. You don't think diabetics put a strain on the system? You don't think people with heart conditions take up space?
Talk about putting a strain on the health system! Maybe you should be segregated or denied health services or taxed more based on your BMI. Surely we should exclude you from restaurants for your own good and to keep you from stuffing your face and putting more weight on the health care system.
This my tuchioditc friend is a reductio ad absurdum argument to point out just how stupid and unjust your vaxx mandates are.
Note that just because you support the jabb does not absolve you for being a fat smoker. I bet my tax dollars have gone to pay for a lot of the health problems that you created for yourself.
For that to be true the hospitals would have been plugged and elective surgeries cancelled before covid, because of all the fatties and addicts. Maybe you think they were.
You can play the "don't talk about covid, talk about fatties and addicts" card all you want. It saves you from having to address the fact that unvaccinated people get sicker and die more often from covid. Here, I'll give you the links again so you can ignore them again:
September 8, 2022 "In this cross-sectional study of US adults hospitalized with COVID-19 during January 2022 to April 2022 (during Omicron variant predominance), COVID-19-associated hospitalization rates were 10.5 times higher in unvaccinated persons and 2.5 times higher in vaccinated persons with no booster dose, respectively, compared with those who had received a booster dose." https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2796235
November 16, 2022 "Unvaccinated 12-34 year-olds in Washington are
• 2 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with 12-34 year-olds who have completed the primary series.
• 4.1 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with 12-34 year-olds who have completed the primary series.
Unvaccinated 35-64 year-olds are
• 1.7 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with 35 - 64 year-olds who have completed the primary series.
• 3.5 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with 35 - 64 year-olds who have completed the primary series.
Unvaccinated 65+ year-olds are
• 2.2 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with 65+ year-olds who have completed the primary series.
• 3.3 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with 65+ year-olds who have completed the primary series.
Not quite. Statistics for the vaccinated / unvaccinated populations show that when you do get the virus the you will take up more healthcare systems resources than if you had been vaccinated.
That's hardly correct even by the government's own statistics - adjusting for percentage of population of vaccinated versus unvaccinated, the vaccinated are being hospitalized in greater numbers and this is clear from the Ontario and BC official statistics. And this is before we find that they are playing with the numbers to make them less damning. For their purposes people with 1 vaxx dose or 2 vaxx doses but who get covid within 14 days of the last dose are treated as unvaxxed and counted among the vaxxed. By any logical approach those 2 groups should be counted separately as sui generis categories. Or a lesser evil would be to count them among the vaxxed since they have more in common with that group. They don't because 1 does actually increases the risk of death and hospitalization when you look at the statistics for that group.
I suppose it would be if you came up with those statistics. Why don't you do that, and link to them so we can all see them?
Nothing wrong with that if the evidence is that your body takes time to build up the resistance fostered by the vaccines. Show us the science that says the vaccines are 100% effective on day 1.
Produce those statistics and a link to them.
Meanwhile I'll repeat some numbers that I've posted earlier. You can tell the folks what's wrong with them:
September 8, 2022 "In this cross-sectional study of US adults hospitalized with COVID-19 during January 2022 to April 2022 (during Omicron variant predominance), COVID-19-associated hospitalization rates were 10.5 times higher in unvaccinated persons and 2.5 times higher in vaccinated persons with no booster dose, respectively, compared with those who had received a booster dose." https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2796235
November 16, 2022 "Unvaccinated 12-34 year-olds in Washington are
• 2 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with 12-34 year-olds who have completed the primary series.
• 4.1 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with 12-34 year-olds who have completed the primary series.
Unvaccinated 35-64 year-olds are
• 1.7 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with 35 - 64 year-olds who have completed the primary series.
• 3.5 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with 35 - 64 year-olds who have completed the primary series.
Unvaccinated 65+ year-olds are
• 2.2 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with 65+ year-olds who have completed the primary series.
• 3.3 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with 65+ year-olds who have completed the primary series.
• 3.7 times more likely to die of COVID-19 compared with 65+ year-olds who have completed the primary series." https://doh.wa.gov/sites/default/files/2022-02/421-010-CasesInNotFullyVaccinated.pdf
Also:
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#rates-by-vaccine-status
https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-19-alberta-statistics.htm#vaccine-effectiveness
https://www.contagionlive.com/view/covid-19-hospitalizations-broken-down-by-vaccination-status
https://covid19-sciencetable.ca/ontario-dashboard/
https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/covid-19-breakthrough-data
Tuchidiocy cannot be cured and there is no vaxx for it.
Btw I already gave you the stats and the supporting links including Canadian government websites but apparently that is not good enough for you because it conflicts with your programming. Unlike you I have a life and will not repeat myself.
Nope. Here are the links you gave me:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/
https://health.usnews.com/health-news/patient-advice/articles/2016-09-27/the-danger-in-taking-prescribed-medications
https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/health/daily/april98/drugs041598.htm
https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/purdue-opioid-epidemic-guilty-1.5814318
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-largest-health-care-fraud-settlement-its-history
https://yle.fi/a/3-12668492
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/omicron-hospital-many-patients-hospitalized-ailments-also-test-positiv-rcna11247
https://newhampshirebulletin.com/2022/03/31/state-and-hospitals-dont-see-eye-to-eye-on-counting-covid-hospitalizations/
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/most-covid-19-hospitalizations-due-four-conditions
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-coronavirus-britain-idUSL2N2VK15E
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/08/covid-cdc-study-finds-roughly-78percent-of-people-hospitalized-were-overweight-or-obese.html
Your links about corporate malfeasance are just pointing out that the sky is blue, unless you also refuse to deal with all of the other corporations that have been convicted of something. I gave you a list of 100 of them. I have no doubt you haven't looked at it. Here it is again: https://www.corporatecrimereporter.com/top100.html
Your links about comorbidities are also irrelevant. Everybody knows the old and the sick are more vulnerable. The part you ignore is that there are people with medical conditions that have nothing to do with age or lifestyle who are also vulnerable. Here's a by-no-means-complete list of things that can give you or your loved ones an extra-hard time with covid: asthma, cancer, cerebral palsy, chronic bronchitis, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), cystic fibrosis, diabetes, emphysema, epilepsy, high blood pressure, kidney disease, motor neurone disease (MND), multiple sclerosis (MS), neurofibromatosis, parkinson's disease, pneumonia, sleep apnea, ...
Then there are the people taking immunosuppressive medications after organ transplants or for conditions such as addison disease, matomyositis, graves disease, hashimoto thyroiditis, pernicious anemia, arthritis, lupus, and others.
Sure you did. You just can't find them now, I guess.
Tell the folks what's wrong with these sites:
September 8, 2022 "In this cross-sectional study of US adults hospitalized with COVID-19 during January 2022 to April 2022 (during Omicron variant predominance), COVID-19-associated hospitalization rates were 10.5 times higher in unvaccinated persons and 2.5 times higher in vaccinated persons with no booster dose, respectively, compared with those who had received a booster dose." https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2796235
November 16, 2022 "Unvaccinated 12-34 year-olds in Washington are
• 2 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with 12-34 year-olds who have completed the primary series.
• 4.1 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with 12-34 year-olds who have completed the primary series.
Unvaccinated 35-64 year-olds are
• 1.7 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with 35 - 64 year-olds who have completed the primary series.
• 3.5 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with 35 - 64 year-olds who have completed the primary series.
Unvaccinated 65+ year-olds are
• 2.2 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with 65+ year-olds who have completed the primary series.
• 3.3 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with 65+ year-olds who have completed the primary series.
• 3.7 times more likely to die of COVID-19 compared with 65+ year-olds who have completed the primary series." https://doh.wa.gov/sites/default/files/2022-02/421-010-CasesInNotFullyVaccinated.pdf
Also:
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#rates-by-vaccine-status
https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-19-alberta-statistics.htm#vaccine-effectiveness
https://www.contagionlive.com/view/covid-19-hospitalizations-broken-down-by-vaccination-status
https://covid19-sciencetable.ca/ontario-dashboard/
https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/covid-19-breakthrough-data
If you followed your logic, you would be ranting against the fatties and the addicts (to booze, drugs, smoking or sugar) who take up most of the health care resources. Instead of being a vaxx evangelist you should be promoting healthy diet and exercise. Every one of your posts should be about that. After all, exercise and healthy eating have proven medical benefits and no downside. They even improve your odds of not dying or getting complications from covid since that is one of your concerns.
But I bet you fall into one or more of those categories so they get a pass. I am guessing a fat smoker.
Folks, it wasn't fatties and addicts that suddenly plugged up the hospitals and delayed elective surgeries.
It's beginning to look like this one is in love with their own voice and can't be bothered to link to any science to support their opinions.
Actually you are just displaying your unsupported tuchidiotic opinion. Look at you trying to actually deny the obvious.
Lifestyle related illnesses, especially from addictions and obesity are the leading cause of hospitalization. You don't think diabetics put a strain on the system? You don't think people with heart conditions take up space?
Obesity even impacts covid. Fat covidians like you make up 78 percent of all hospitalizations and deaths. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/08/covid-cdc-study-finds-roughly-78percent-of-people-hospitalized-were-overweight-or-obese.html
Talk about putting a strain on the health system! Maybe you should be segregated or denied health services or taxed more based on your BMI. Surely we should exclude you from restaurants for your own good and to keep you from stuffing your face and putting more weight on the health care system.
This my tuchioditc friend is a reductio ad absurdum argument to point out just how stupid and unjust your vaxx mandates are.
Note that just because you support the jabb does not absolve you for being a fat smoker. I bet my tax dollars have gone to pay for a lot of the health problems that you created for yourself.
For that to be true the hospitals would have been plugged and elective surgeries cancelled before covid, because of all the fatties and addicts. Maybe you think they were.
You can play the "don't talk about covid, talk about fatties and addicts" card all you want. It saves you from having to address the fact that unvaccinated people get sicker and die more often from covid. Here, I'll give you the links again so you can ignore them again:
September 8, 2022 "In this cross-sectional study of US adults hospitalized with COVID-19 during January 2022 to April 2022 (during Omicron variant predominance), COVID-19-associated hospitalization rates were 10.5 times higher in unvaccinated persons and 2.5 times higher in vaccinated persons with no booster dose, respectively, compared with those who had received a booster dose." https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2796235
November 16, 2022 "Unvaccinated 12-34 year-olds in Washington are
• 2 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with 12-34 year-olds who have completed the primary series.
• 4.1 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with 12-34 year-olds who have completed the primary series.
Unvaccinated 35-64 year-olds are
• 1.7 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with 35 - 64 year-olds who have completed the primary series.
• 3.5 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with 35 - 64 year-olds who have completed the primary series.
Unvaccinated 65+ year-olds are
• 2.2 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with 65+ year-olds who have completed the primary series.
• 3.3 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with 65+ year-olds who have completed the primary series.
• 3.7 times more likely to die of COVID-19 compared with 65+ year-olds who have completed the primary series." https://doh.wa.gov/sites/default/files/2022-02/421-010-CasesInNotFullyVaccinated.pdf
Also:
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#rates-by-vaccine-status
https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-19-alberta-statistics.htm#vaccine-effectiveness
https://www.contagionlive.com/view/covid-19-hospitalizations-broken-down-by-vaccination-status
https://covid19-sciencetable.ca/ontario-dashboard/
https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/covid-19-breakthrough-data