YOUR claim that Vaccines were introduced AFTER the variants appeared, was proven false. The data clearly does show the US, a country that experienced one of the most massive outbreaks, despite doing nothing differently than other countries, had public trials across the US, during these high numbers.
Vaccines can be beneficial if used in the most vulnerable and not throughout the entire population.
I am not anti-vax.
I am anti-corporate healthcare designed to make money off providing Vaccination to millions of people who are perfectly healthy and not at risk at all.
I am also anti-Guinea pig. The Gates foundation has very serious problems that you appear more than eager to ignore. Pfizer has no better of a record.
and
Your basic math skills appear inhibited.
8 Vaccines introduced.
8 Variants appear.
WHY are you here. Your line of questioning and responses DO not match your presence here.
I'm confused. I haven't responded to your post about vaccine trials yet. I was talking about polio.
I'm still trying to get through the link you sent about vaccine trials. There's a lot of information and I haven't had enough free time to digest it yet.
So, concerning polio: Without the vaccine in Africa there would have been over a million infected / crippled kids and deaths in the 6 figures. It's true a small number of children have now been infected but is that a bad thing when the new strain will presumably be dealt with as well?
According to the link you supplied for a particular US Pfizer / BioNTech vaccine trial the study proposal was published on April 29, 2020, and the "History of Changes" section shows participants were being recruited until July 2020, and that's when the trial went from "Recruiting" to "Active".
So the variant was in the field 2 months before the trial participants received their first shots.
The Gates Foundation
Let's stick to the topic at hand: the lack so far of evidence of a causal relationship between the variants and the vaccines. We can talk about the Gates Foundation in another thread.
8 Vaccines introduced / 8 Variants appear.
The only evidence you've provided to back that statement up is for one variant, the Epsilon, and it appears to be incorrect.
WHY are you here.
To see if claims that the MSM is lying to me are supportable. It's OK to have a wide variety of opinions on a subject because it makes for a healthy discussion, but at some point facts have to be produced. Otherwise - as somebody said - "That which is stated without evidence can be dismissed without evidence".
1.) You never addressed my comments related to PREP and HIV.
The treatment can create super strains directly as a result of the TREATMENT.
2.) Significantly more effort was afforded to using Africa as Guinea pigs for improperly introduced vaccine experimentation than providing clean drinking water and food.
Polio, a highly infectious disease that spreads through contaminated water or food.
Africans hate The gates foundation with a passion for exploiting them for medical research and having extensive Vaccine damages. There is extensive evidence in both Africa and India of the Gates Foundation acting in bad faith with devastating consequences.
2.) Discrepancies
A molecular clock analysis timed the emergence of the precursor to the Epsilon variant to May of 2020 in California.
Your initial reference was of epsilon appearing in July, your current reference is to epsilon appearing in May. I have scanned multiple different "studies" with dates all over the place. I even corrected your date of Oct for Alpha, It was September as that appears to be the consensus... on average.
The only evidence you've provided to back that statement up is for one variant, the Epsilon, and it appears to be incorrect.
NO, it is YOU who were found incorrect. See response #3.
Do you not find these multitudes of discrepancies of dates by official sources to be highly disturbing?
3.) Pfizer Data
Well, no. The list of variants we're discussing only had one entry from the US: the Epsilon variant. It appeared in May 2020.
Well YES.
PHASE 3 Pfizer Clinical Trials began in July. "Early" Stage Trials began BEFORE.
What I find most disturbing is your ability to ignore mass discrepancies and cherry picking of data from a select STAGE.
Let's stick to the topic at hand: the lack so far of evidence of a causal relationship between the variants and the vaccines. We can talk about the Gates Foundation in another thread.
YOU will not direct my conversation in the direction that is most covient to YOUR conclusions.
4.) Vaccine Hesitancy researcher.
> WHY are you here.
To see if claims that the MSM is lying to me are supportable. It's OK to have a wide variety of opinions on a subject because it makes for a healthy discussion, but at some point facts have to be produced. Otherwise - as somebody said - "That which is stated without evidence can be dismissed without evidence"
YOU have not questioned or acknowledged ANY issues related to the Covid Vaccines, in which the actually are gene therapies, NOT Vaccines.
YOU ignore facts.
YOU cherry pick data, by stage.
YOU dismiss FACTS as they inconvenience YOUR conclusions.
YOU are an easily discernable Agent of Misdirection.
FURTHERMORE
Is it lost on you that we live in the information age and NOT one News Network or Media Network covered the progression of Covid Vaccination Trials, from the beginning? I would have expected a live Documentary to be presented in this era of the Reality Show.
However, News and Media were lightning fast on presenting a pre-assigned narrative, from the beginning. Of which, they failed to present an accurate account of origin OR progression. Of which they, have flip flopped on a regular basis, in response to noticed anomalies.
Grey's Anatomy and several other "shows", that are created and aired by the same Networks that present our "News", left no time in presenting a pre-dispositioned narrative of events and conclusions, with NO factual data to represent those views clearly defined.
In many cases BOTH News and Media afforded an inaccurate set of criteria while at the same time stating "the science is ever changing" as an excuse.
This occurred while ZERO in depth coverage was offered of on the ground events at the same time, before and after, and continues to this day.
My toleration for incompetence and those who excuse it is gone.
ADDITIONALLY,
PLEASE view the Total Death rate of Canada over the last 20 years and that of 2020 and you will note NO SIGNIFICANT change to the TOTAL. Be sure to account for incremental increase due to the Boomer generation entering die off as that is the trend in play.
GO MANIPULATE somewhere else. YOU are a bad faith actor, here with a maligned purpose.
You never addressed my comments related to PREP and HIV.
And you never responded to my statement that AIDS used to be a death sentence and is now manageable due to the treatment you are unhappy about. Are you saying the treatment should not have happened?
Significantly more effort was afforded to using Africa as Guinea pigs
You brought up Africa, not me. It's not part of my discussion because I don't have time to investigate extra unsupported claims. As you say: "YOU will not direct my conversation in the direction that is most covient to YOUR conclusions."
Discrepancies and Pfizer data
The only specific study you quoted went active in July in California, long after the Epsilon variant appeared in California. Searching at that web site (clinicaltrials.gov) - which you supplied - reveals another 70 Pfizer covid-19 studies, so until proven otherwise I'm going to credit the different dates to those 70 other studies.
Facts
The fact you need to supply is the one that shows a new covid variant was found in a vaccine trial participant. For all I know that is actually the case, but there's no proof in any of the opinions you've expressed. Your statement that "Variants appeared in places that first introduced Vaccines" implies that they appeared after the vaccines were administered but so far that's just your opinion.
Unless you can connect the dots by providing verifiable facts - never mind Africa, Grey's Anatomy, Bill Gates, supposed pre-assigned narratives in media, and all the other unsupported opinions you express - I'm not going to participate in this discussion any more. You're too emotional.
Now your NOT sounding very genuine.
YOUR claim that Vaccines were introduced AFTER the variants appeared, was proven false. The data clearly does show the US, a country that experienced one of the most massive outbreaks, despite doing nothing differently than other countries, had public trials across the US, during these high numbers.
Vaccines can be beneficial if used in the most vulnerable and not throughout the entire population.
I am not anti-vax.
I am anti-corporate healthcare designed to make money off providing Vaccination to millions of people who are perfectly healthy and not at risk at all.
I am also anti-Guinea pig. The Gates foundation has very serious problems that you appear more than eager to ignore. Pfizer has no better of a record.
and
Your basic math skills appear inhibited.
8 Vaccines introduced.
8 Variants appear.
WHY are you here. Your line of questioning and responses DO not match your presence here.
I'm confused. I haven't responded to your post about vaccine trials yet. I was talking about polio.
I'm still trying to get through the link you sent about vaccine trials. There's a lot of information and I haven't had enough free time to digest it yet.
So, concerning polio: Without the vaccine in Africa there would have been over a million infected / crippled kids and deaths in the 6 figures. It's true a small number of children have now been infected but is that a bad thing when the new strain will presumably be dealt with as well?
Vaccines and variants...
Well, no. The list of variants we're discussing only had one entry from the US: the Epsilon variant. It appeared in May 2020. (https://gvn.org/covid-19/epsilon-b-1-427-b-1-429/, https://newsroom.uw.edu/news/epsilon-variant-mutations-contribute-covid-immune-evasion).
According to the link you supplied for a particular US Pfizer / BioNTech vaccine trial the study proposal was published on April 29, 2020, and the "History of Changes" section shows participants were being recruited until July 2020, and that's when the trial went from "Recruiting" to "Active".
So the variant was in the field 2 months before the trial participants received their first shots.
Let's stick to the topic at hand: the lack so far of evidence of a causal relationship between the variants and the vaccines. We can talk about the Gates Foundation in another thread.
The only evidence you've provided to back that statement up is for one variant, the Epsilon, and it appears to be incorrect.
To see if claims that the MSM is lying to me are supportable. It's OK to have a wide variety of opinions on a subject because it makes for a healthy discussion, but at some point facts have to be produced. Otherwise - as somebody said - "That which is stated without evidence can be dismissed without evidence".
1.) You never addressed my comments related to PREP and HIV.
The treatment can create super strains directly as a result of the TREATMENT.
2.) Significantly more effort was afforded to using Africa as Guinea pigs for improperly introduced vaccine experimentation than providing clean drinking water and food.
Africans hate The gates foundation with a passion for exploiting them for medical research and having extensive Vaccine damages. There is extensive evidence in both Africa and India of the Gates Foundation acting in bad faith with devastating consequences.
2.) Discrepancies
Your initial reference was of epsilon appearing in July, your current reference is to epsilon appearing in May. I have scanned multiple different "studies" with dates all over the place. I even corrected your date of Oct for Alpha, It was September as that appears to be the consensus... on average.
NO, it is YOU who were found incorrect. See response #3.
Do you not find these multitudes of discrepancies of dates by official sources to be highly disturbing?
3.) Pfizer Data
Well YES.
PHASE 3 Pfizer Clinical Trials began in July. "Early" Stage Trials began BEFORE.
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/05/05/health/pfizer-vaccine-coronavirus.amp.html
For Christ sake. HUMAN Trials were under way well before. "Early" Stage Trials began immediately in Moderna.
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/03/16/first-human-trial-for-coronavirus-vaccine-begins-monday-in-the-us.html
What I find most disturbing is your ability to ignore mass discrepancies and cherry picking of data from a select STAGE.
YOU will not direct my conversation in the direction that is most covient to YOUR conclusions.
4.) Vaccine Hesitancy researcher.
> WHY are you here.
YOU have not questioned or acknowledged ANY issues related to the Covid Vaccines, in which the actually are gene therapies, NOT Vaccines.
YOU ignore facts.
YOU cherry pick data, by stage.
YOU dismiss FACTS as they inconvenience YOUR conclusions.
YOU are an easily discernable Agent of Misdirection.
FURTHERMORE
Is it lost on you that we live in the information age and NOT one News Network or Media Network covered the progression of Covid Vaccination Trials, from the beginning? I would have expected a live Documentary to be presented in this era of the Reality Show.
However, News and Media were lightning fast on presenting a pre-assigned narrative, from the beginning. Of which, they failed to present an accurate account of origin OR progression. Of which they, have flip flopped on a regular basis, in response to noticed anomalies.
Grey's Anatomy and several other "shows", that are created and aired by the same Networks that present our "News", left no time in presenting a pre-dispositioned narrative of events and conclusions, with NO factual data to represent those views clearly defined.
In many cases BOTH News and Media afforded an inaccurate set of criteria while at the same time stating "the science is ever changing" as an excuse.
This occurred while ZERO in depth coverage was offered of on the ground events at the same time, before and after, and continues to this day.
My toleration for incompetence and those who excuse it is gone.
ADDITIONALLY,
PLEASE view the Total Death rate of Canada over the last 20 years and that of 2020 and you will note NO SIGNIFICANT change to the TOTAL. Be sure to account for incremental increase due to the Boomer generation entering die off as that is the trend in play.
GO MANIPULATE somewhere else. YOU are a bad faith actor, here with a maligned purpose.
IN OTHER WORDS. FUCK OFF, YOU ARE A LIAR.
100% ban please. He is paid to undermine and obfuscate whenever possible.
And you never responded to my statement that AIDS used to be a death sentence and is now manageable due to the treatment you are unhappy about. Are you saying the treatment should not have happened?
You brought up Africa, not me. It's not part of my discussion because I don't have time to investigate extra unsupported claims. As you say: "YOU will not direct my conversation in the direction that is most covient to YOUR conclusions."
The only specific study you quoted went active in July in California, long after the Epsilon variant appeared in California. Searching at that web site (clinicaltrials.gov) - which you supplied - reveals another 70 Pfizer covid-19 studies, so until proven otherwise I'm going to credit the different dates to those 70 other studies.
The fact you need to supply is the one that shows a new covid variant was found in a vaccine trial participant. For all I know that is actually the case, but there's no proof in any of the opinions you've expressed. Your statement that "Variants appeared in places that first introduced Vaccines" implies that they appeared after the vaccines were administered but so far that's just your opinion.
Unless you can connect the dots by providing verifiable facts - never mind Africa, Grey's Anatomy, Bill Gates, supposed pre-assigned narratives in media, and all the other unsupported opinions you express - I'm not going to participate in this discussion any more. You're too emotional.
Vaccine Hesitancy researcher?
CTV had a storey that researchers would be used to obtain data on how to argue and overcome "anti-vaxxers" in order to reach even higher compliance.
The intention was to come to places like Omega (not named) and obtain responses to alleviate OUR misconceptions ?