Statistically the vast majority of hospitalizations are in people over 60 years old.
Not sure what your point is. The vaccines are still keeping people out of the hospital, otherwise the unvaccinated wouldn't be so over-represented there. Nobody is denying that older people are more seriously affected, so why are you bringing it up?
It's also likely that the vaccines aren't thr main driver behind the reduction of hospitalizations
Again, I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. Whatever the hospitalizations these days, high or low, in Ontario two-thirds to three-quarters of the people in the hospital beds are coming from the less than one-fifth of the population that is not fully vaccinated.
the virus has mutated into a less lethal version of itself
Really? I think you're speculating. Got any support for your statement?
"The reason the diseases are under control is because the vaccination rate is about 90%"
False, the coronavirus is a family of viruses mainly causing the common cold.
The 90% figure applies to the MMR vaccination rate. It's a reply to your comment about the MMR vaccine. Linking that statement to coronaviruses makes no sense.
MMR vaccines provide superior protection,
As I said: only slightly. The reason we don't see more disease from the viruses they guard against is because the vaccination rate for them is 90%. See the link I provided earlier.
The efficacy of the mrna vaccines is likely on par with the flu shot
They're not 80% the vaccines were created for the initial strain which is now obsolete. Losing efficacy with each subsequent strain.
As for the hospitalization portion the numbers are skewed as a covid hospitalization can be for anything. For example if you show up with complications related to dementia but test positive for covid it's a covid hospitalization.
As for the government stats they track since December 2020 when no one was actually fully vaccinated, the numbers are rigged.
Think about what you just said and ask yourself what difference it makes. Answer: none. Two thirds to three quarters of the people in the hospitals test positive for covid, and they come from one fifth of the population.
As for the government stats they track since December 2020
I'll give you the link again so you can look at it this time. The numbers are for the people in some hospitals in Ontario on October 20, 2021 at 7:33 a.m. (EST). They have nothing to do with the past. https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data
If you answer with more unrelated arguments and unsupported opinions you will have the last word.
The hospital figures in Ontario include anyone who tests positive for covid regardless if the main reason for hospitalization is actually covid.
The average age of death from covid is greater than the life expectancy. It's definitely not anyone under 50 clogging up the ICUs. In fact we have less than 1k deaths under 50 in two years and total deaths/hospitalizations skew mainly 70+
The following is from your own link. I don't think you read it. "While the two-dose mRNA vaccine’s efficacy against infection wanes, its protection against Covid-related hospitalizations persists, remaining 90% effective for all coronavirus variants of concern — including delta — for at least six months, according to the study, which was funded by Pfizer."
anyone who tests positive for covid
You keep saying that, but it doesn't change the fact that for every 100 people in the hospitals yesterday who tested positive for covid, about 70 of them came from the 20% of the population that isn't vaccinated. If the vaccines were no good there would only be 20 instead of 70.
It's definitely not anyone under 50 clogging up the ICUs
You didn't answer when I asked you before. Why is that important?
Not sure what your point is. The vaccines are still keeping people out of the hospital, otherwise the unvaccinated wouldn't be so over-represented there. Nobody is denying that older people are more seriously affected, so why are you bringing it up?
Again, I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. Whatever the hospitalizations these days, high or low, in Ontario two-thirds to three-quarters of the people in the hospital beds are coming from the less than one-fifth of the population that is not fully vaccinated.
Really? I think you're speculating. Got any support for your statement?
The 90% figure applies to the MMR vaccination rate. It's a reply to your comment about the MMR vaccine. Linking that statement to coronaviruses makes no sense.
As I said: only slightly. The reason we don't see more disease from the viruses they guard against is because the vaccination rate for them is 90%. See the link I provided earlier.
The effectiveness of the flu vaccine is about 40% https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/effectiveness-studies.htm. The effectiveness of the mRNA vaccines is about 80%. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7037e3.htm
You really need to find some support for your ideas before you post them.
They're not 80% the vaccines were created for the initial strain which is now obsolete. Losing efficacy with each subsequent strain.
As for the hospitalization portion the numbers are skewed as a covid hospitalization can be for anything. For example if you show up with complications related to dementia but test positive for covid it's a covid hospitalization.
As for the government stats they track since December 2020 when no one was actually fully vaccinated, the numbers are rigged.
They are. They were originally over 90% and have slipped to 80% for the reasons you gave. https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/covid-19-vaccine-comparison
Think about what you just said and ask yourself what difference it makes. Answer: none. Two thirds to three quarters of the people in the hospitals test positive for covid, and they come from one fifth of the population.
I'll give you the link again so you can look at it this time. The numbers are for the people in some hospitals in Ontario on October 20, 2021 at 7:33 a.m. (EST). They have nothing to do with the past. https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data
If you answer with more unrelated arguments and unsupported opinions you will have the last word.
The efficacy is not 80% its according to this study 53%
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/04/pfizer-covid-vaccine-protection-against-infection-tumbles-to-47percent-study-confirms.html
The hospital figures in Ontario include anyone who tests positive for covid regardless if the main reason for hospitalization is actually covid.
The average age of death from covid is greater than the life expectancy. It's definitely not anyone under 50 clogging up the ICUs. In fact we have less than 1k deaths under 50 in two years and total deaths/hospitalizations skew mainly 70+
The following is from your own link. I don't think you read it. "While the two-dose mRNA vaccine’s efficacy against infection wanes, its protection against Covid-related hospitalizations persists, remaining 90% effective for all coronavirus variants of concern — including delta — for at least six months, according to the study, which was funded by Pfizer."
You keep saying that, but it doesn't change the fact that for every 100 people in the hospitals yesterday who tested positive for covid, about 70 of them came from the 20% of the population that isn't vaccinated. If the vaccines were no good there would only be 20 instead of 70.
You didn't answer when I asked you before. Why is that important?