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DoggyDawg 3 points ago +3 / -0

Current vaccines have no effect on omicron infection. I suspected that that would carry over to no protection from serious illness. I think this will hold true when the omicron hospital stats catch up. If it holds true and vax passports are still mandated, then i can officially say that the decision makers are retards or they’re too embarrassed to admit that covid vaccines are a failure.

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ChazzleDazzle [S] 4 points ago +4 / -0

What are they supposed to say? Sorry we forced you to inject this mystery juice into your body that doesn't work. People would be livid.

The only way out is to end the pandemic and walk back

Or they can jab jab jab away and hope it works even though it doesn't.

Sadly they've chosen option 2

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tuchodi -7 points ago +1 / -8

Current vaccines have no effect on omicron infection transmission.

There. Fixed that for you.

It's too early to say what the balance will be between how fast it spreads and how hard it hits. If we're lucky it will be mild enough that the spread won't result in plugged hospitals.

If it's 1/2 as severe but spreads 6 times as fast there we are still going to be in trouble. People do die from Omicron https://toronto.citynews.ca/2021/12/29/study-omicron-risk-hospitalization-death/.

Hope for the best and plan for the worst: get vaccinated & wear a mask.

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kekzor 2 points ago +2 / -0

People die from the common cold as well. Looking at Denmark and South Africa data, Omicron is extremely mild to the vast majority of people.

The vaccines do not prevent any transmission of Omicron, so why on earth would you say "get vaccinated" when it does literally nothing here except possibly reduce severity to those who have extreme co-morbidities? Because it prevents taking up hospital beds? Any remotely healthy person is most likely not going to have issues. If it turns out otherwise in a few weeks, then we'll need to re-look at it but so far it is doing what Denmark and South Africa had.

Also,

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1476958517869395969

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1476583826344267777

You can pull up the studies in the tweets.

95.58% of Omicron cases are in vaccinated in Germany, with a 71.1% vaccination rate.

Similar issue in Denmark.

There's another study out there showing that your protection goes negative after the efficacy wanes, so you need to booster to even get back above normal. The numbers above agree with that study.

Would love to hear your thoughts on why that isn't the case. I'm not trolling or hostile here, just against forcing mass vaccination vs focusing on those at-risk and therapeutics for healthy individuals.

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tuchodi -5 points ago +1 / -6

Denmark and South Africa

There are half a dozen factors that influence the impact of the virus. Average age, population compliance, existence of regionally-specifc corona viruses, robustness of the healthcare system, general health of the population, etc. Let's wait and see what it does to the healthcare system in Canada before we assume much.

it does literally nothing here except possibly reduce severity to those who have extreme co-morbidities

Unvaccinated people show up in hospitals and ICUs in Canada in vastly larger numbers, proportionally, than vaccinated people. It would be nice if Omicron changed that for the better, but the speed of its transmission is a new factor and it remains unclear whether there will still be too many for the healthcare system.

I'll look at the tweets later and respond separately.

95.58% of Omicron cases

Case counts aren't as valid anymore - the counting system is overwhelmed. It's hospital/ICU counts that are the best indicators now.

your protection goes negative

The protection against infection wanes significantly. The protection against severe illness remains fairly strong. It's New Years and I have to go pretty quick but you can look it up. Boosters do help, of course, so getting one (or however many we're going to need) improves your chances of staying out of the hospital - and not passing it on.

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DoggyDawg 1 point ago +1 / -0

You know that what you wrote is common knowledge, right? I mean, how can it not be? This is what the news has been saying for the last few weeks. You also know that that's not what I was talking about, right? Every time you engage with me, you deflect to something else. Is there a point to this or are you a retard?

Also, vaccines don’t prevent omicron infection. You didn’t need to fix anything for me.

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tuchodi -6 points ago +1 / -7

vaccines don’t prevent omicron infection

But they reduce its severity, and that keeps people out of hospitals, freeing up beds for people with other problems. It's early days but already they can see that: "Thus, during the proxy omicron period, we saw a maintenance of effectiveness of the BNT162b2 [Pfizer–BioNTech] vaccine (albeit at a reduced level) against hospital admission for Covid-19 that was presumed to have been caused by the omicron variant as compared with the rate associated with the delta variant earlier in the year." https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2119270

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DoggyDawg 1 point ago +1 / -0

You're now finally replying to what I actually was talking about.

Vaccines don't prevent infection. This is still correct, based on Ontario's data since omicron became dominant.

The study that you linked to shows 70% efficacy against hospitalization for omicron vs 93% efficacy for Delta. My prediction was that it wouldn't help. It does help, although it's waning. The results from this study still have to replicated.

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tuchodi -6 points ago +1 / -7

Current vaccines have no effect on omicron infection

vaccines don’t prevent omicron infection

Transmission rates and severity are two different things but you lump them together under "infection".

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DoggyDawg 1 point ago +1 / -0

I was not talking about transmission whatsoever. You were lumping them together.

I was talking solely about infection. The infection rate per 100,000 is higher for vaccinated people in Ontario right now and that has been the case since omicron has been dominant (It's higher likely because vaccinated have access to more places like sporting events, but it's likely the same).

https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data/case-numbers-and-spread

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tuchodi -5 points ago +1 / -6

Current vaccines have no effect on omicron infection

They reduce the severity of the infection.

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Ham_Sandwich77 3 points ago +6 / -3

Add another dose to qualify as "fully vaccinated" and voila, it's a pandemic of the unvaccinated again.

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ChazzleDazzle [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

This shit spreads too fast for that trickery to work.

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Ontarian 2 points ago +2 / -0

won't be long before tuchodi will need a welfare check because his unvaxxed conspiracy theory has been thoroughly discredited...

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tuchodi -4 points ago +1 / -5

Don't confuse "new cases" with "in the hospital/ICU".

Omicron is new and is spreading as fast in vaxxed and unvaxxed alike. It's so fast that new cases can't be counted as accurately as before.

The rubber will meet the road in the hospitals. Keep your fingers crossed that they don't get plugged.

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IGotHairyLegsThat 2 points ago +2 / -0

/u/tuchodi on suicide watch

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TrustNo1 1 point ago +1 / -0

Da SiMpSoN pArAdOx

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Ontarian 1 point ago +1 / -0

In a week the dark whatever-that-colour-is (puce ?) part will be a wafer-thin sliver.

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tuchodi -7 points ago +1 / -8

Keep in mind the 182 are coming from less than15% of the population, while the 399 is coming from the remainder. If you can do math you can see the unvaccinated are still vastly over-represented. In the following image the 182 are coming from the green and the 399 from the blue.

https://i.imgur.com/t1nMdXJ.png

You can see the pie-charts at https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data. While you're there have a look at the one for the ICUs, where 73 cases are coming from the green and 45 from the blue.

Proof positive that the vaccines keep you out of the hospital. More pretty pictures at https://imgur.com/a/qI0P0X5

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Ontarian 2 points ago +2 / -0

Apparently you can't do the math to figure out what 182 from 15% of 14,500,000 equals.

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tuchodi -5 points ago +1 / -6

No idea what you're talking about. What does that represent?

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Ontarian 2 points ago +2 / -0

You really are stupid.

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tuchodi -7 points ago +1 / -8

Can't explain it, eh?

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ChazzleDazzle [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

I missed you