Every single day since mid-December, the infection rate amongst vaccinated has been higher vs. unvaccinated, yet Ontario's Science table shows the exact opposite.
The graph on the left is a proportion that says that at the peak - "per 1 million inhabitants per day" - there were more cases in unvaccinated people.
The graph on the right is the number of cases. There are way more vaccinated people than unvaccinated, and Omicron doesn't care if you're vaccinated or not, so there are more cases among vaccinated people than unvaccinated. Simple.
If you don't understand the difference that's OK. Not everyone gets math.
If you do understand the difference and you're just spreading misinformation I'm sorry for you.
And in the end, since Omicron is spreading faster than the cases can be counted, neither of those graphs are very accurate any way.
You can go directly to Ontario's official site and toggle between daily cases and cases per 100,000: https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data
Nevertheless, if the daily cases per 100,000 (or 1million, either tells the same thing) is higher every day since mid-December, there is no way to plot this on a graph that shows unvaccinated cases to be higher. Math is not subjective.
If you don't understand the difference that's OK. Not everyone gets math.
I don't care much if you understand math or not. I do care that Ontario Science Table is lying to the public.
No, it's just you that doesn't see it. You don't understand math.
tell me about your math, though.
I understand that Ontario's chart is a 7-day average per 100,000 and Ontario Science Table's chart is daily per 1 million. Nevertheless, it doesn't matter since the ratio of vaccinated people getting covid has been higher than unvaccinated people getting covid every day since mid-December in Ontario (likely everywhere else too, but the charts I showed are specifically for Ontario). How do you plot this on a graph that shows unvaccinated people getting covid at a higher rate than vaccinated?
First, you don't have enough links to back up the points you are trying to make.
Second, out of all the high school and university math teachers and students in Ontario, why are there no letters to the editor, no calls to phone-in shows? Why are there no articles by science journalists about this?
Because so far you are the only person who sees it this way - although I bet Ezra Levant would agree with you if you could catch his attention.
And it's a pointless argument anyway because it's based on case counts that aren't even remotely accurate any more now that Omicron has arrived.
You know what? I'd love it if the remaining 24% all get vaxxed just so we could see who the covid Karens blame when the pandemic continues unabated in spite of the 100% vaccination rate.
I'm making no claim otherwise. My issue is with vaccine zealots treating the unvaxxed like they're they're bad people and are somehow uniquely responsible for the pandemic's persistence. They are not. At all.
There is also the perception that voluntarily unvaccinated people place an unneeded strain on the healthcare system. For example this study of the Pfizer vaccine on adolescents between 12 and 18 years of age, which found that the "effectiveness was 98% against ICU admission and 98% against Covid-19 resulting in the receipt of life support. All 7 deaths occurred in patients who were unvaccinated."
Effectiveness of BNT162b2 Vaccine against Critical Covid-19 in Adolescents
"A total of 445 case patients and 777 controls were enrolled. Overall, 17 case patients (4%) and 282 controls (36%) had been fully vaccinated. Of the case patients, 180 (40%) were admitted to the ICU, and 127 (29%) required life support; only 2 patients in the ICU had been fully vaccinated. The overall effectiveness of the BNT162b2 vaccine against hospitalization for Covid-19 was 94% (95% confidence interval [CI], 90 to 96); the effectiveness was 95% (95% CI, 91 to 97) among test-negative controls and 94% (95% CI, 89 to 96) among syndrome-negative controls. The effectiveness was 98% against ICU admission and 98% against Covid-19 resulting in the receipt of life support. All 7 deaths occurred in patients who were unvaccinated." https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2117995
And at this point you'd have to be an absolutely amoral antivax shill to not admit that there is a correlation between being antivax and ending up in the hospital, ICU, or dead.
Does it kill you that current covid vaccines don't prevent infection? I mean, that's what this post is about. You're deflecting.
But since you changed the topic, there's also a correlation that fat people end up in the hospital with covid. There's also a correlation of people getting vaccine injuries or dying after getting the vaccine.
Not really when it lessens how dangerous covid is in the first place. If you get the Rona and survive and also don't transmit it as severely then the vax has done its job. On the other hand, if it kills you because 99% of deaths are from the unvaxxed then you chose a really fucking stupid hill to die on.
You see, none of your stats are actionable on its own. Everything is relative.
Covid vaccines are good for some people. For example, they help if you’re old, fat, have hypertension, etc.
For the rest, here’s how to decide if covid vaccines are right for you:
What are the odds that, first, you actually get infected with covid and, second, that you end up in ICU after infection?
Then, compare that to what are the odds of a vaccine injury if you get vaccinated and then the odds of getting infected and being hospitalized?
But then, covid stats are manipulated to begin eith (eg. canada and usa count a covid dearh as died with covid, not necessarily because of covid).
Nobody will present covid vaccine stats to us like this. I suspect that it’s easier for governments to just say vax everybody rather than, say, picking out fat people. Picking out fat people would be a nightmare for governments, so they take the easy route.
If you have hypertension, definitely get the vaccine. Or, consider the choices that led to you having hypertension in the first place.
Ontario Science Table is still pushing the lie that covid vaccines prevent infection.
Check out this side-by-side comparison of daily infection rates as Ontario's Science Table Presents it vs. Ontario's official stats:
https://imgur.com/a/qFOram3
Every single day since mid-December, the infection rate amongst vaccinated has been higher vs. unvaccinated, yet Ontario's Science table shows the exact opposite.
Ontario Science Table Dashboard also shows a 47.9% infection reduction for fully vaccinated people: https://covid19-sciencetable.ca/ontario-dashboard/.
Ontario Science Table is straight-up lying.
Justin Trudeau warned us that those that spread covid vaccine misinformation are far-right.
Ontario Science Table are far-right conspiracy theorists according to Just Trudeau.
There's no conflict.
The graph on the left is a proportion that says that at the peak - "per 1 million inhabitants per day" - there were more cases in unvaccinated people.
The graph on the right is the number of cases. There are way more vaccinated people than unvaccinated, and Omicron doesn't care if you're vaccinated or not, so there are more cases among vaccinated people than unvaccinated. Simple.
If you don't understand the difference that's OK. Not everyone gets math.
If you do understand the difference and you're just spreading misinformation I'm sorry for you.
And in the end, since Omicron is spreading faster than the cases can be counted, neither of those graphs are very accurate any way.
You can go directly to Ontario's official site and toggle between daily cases and cases per 100,000: https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data
Nevertheless, if the daily cases per 100,000 (or 1million, either tells the same thing) is higher every day since mid-December, there is no way to plot this on a graph that shows unvaccinated cases to be higher. Math is not subjective.
I don't care much if you understand math or not. I do care that Ontario Science Table is lying to the public.
I'd be careful about that. You're the only one that sees it.
No, it's just you that doesn't see it. You don't understand math.
tell me about your math, though.
I understand that Ontario's chart is a 7-day average per 100,000 and Ontario Science Table's chart is daily per 1 million. Nevertheless, it doesn't matter since the ratio of vaccinated people getting covid has been higher than unvaccinated people getting covid every day since mid-December in Ontario (likely everywhere else too, but the charts I showed are specifically for Ontario). How do you plot this on a graph that shows unvaccinated people getting covid at a higher rate than vaccinated?
First, you don't have enough links to back up the points you are trying to make.
Second, out of all the high school and university math teachers and students in Ontario, why are there no letters to the editor, no calls to phone-in shows? Why are there no articles by science journalists about this?
Because so far you are the only person who sees it this way - although I bet Ezra Levant would agree with you if you could catch his attention.
And it's a pointless argument anyway because it's based on case counts that aren't even remotely accurate any more now that Omicron has arrived.
Oh but I do.
Try to consider how immature it is to mention Ezra Levant in an argument that has nothing to do with Ezra Levant.
When you know you've lost an argument, so you invoke the "but it's pointless" excuse.
You're the only one I know comparing a proportion to a count and saying they don't agree.
You're playing right into their hands when you doubt the vaccines.
You know what? I'd love it if the remaining 24% all get vaxxed just so we could see who the covid Karens blame when the pandemic continues unabated in spite of the 100% vaccination rate.
I think most people realized over the last few weeks that Omicron spreads just as quickly through everyone regardless of vaccination status. However "Preliminary data indicate COVID-19 vaccines remain effective against severe disease and hospitalisation caused by the Omicron variant" https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/preliminary-data-indicate-covid-19-vaccines-remain-effective-against-severe-disease-hospitalisation
I'm making no claim otherwise. My issue is with vaccine zealots treating the unvaxxed like they're they're bad people and are somehow uniquely responsible for the pandemic's persistence. They are not. At all.
There is also the perception that voluntarily unvaccinated people place an unneeded strain on the healthcare system. For example this study of the Pfizer vaccine on adolescents between 12 and 18 years of age, which found that the "effectiveness was 98% against ICU admission and 98% against Covid-19 resulting in the receipt of life support. All 7 deaths occurred in patients who were unvaccinated."
Effectiveness of BNT162b2 Vaccine against Critical Covid-19 in Adolescents
"A total of 445 case patients and 777 controls were enrolled. Overall, 17 case patients (4%) and 282 controls (36%) had been fully vaccinated. Of the case patients, 180 (40%) were admitted to the ICU, and 127 (29%) required life support; only 2 patients in the ICU had been fully vaccinated. The overall effectiveness of the BNT162b2 vaccine against hospitalization for Covid-19 was 94% (95% confidence interval [CI], 90 to 96); the effectiveness was 95% (95% CI, 91 to 97) among test-negative controls and 94% (95% CI, 89 to 96) among syndrome-negative controls. The effectiveness was 98% against ICU admission and 98% against Covid-19 resulting in the receipt of life support. All 7 deaths occurred in patients who were unvaccinated." https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2117995
And at this point you'd have to be an absolutely amoral antivax shill to not admit that there is a correlation between being antivax and ending up in the hospital, ICU, or dead.
Does it kill you that current covid vaccines don't prevent infection? I mean, that's what this post is about. You're deflecting.
But since you changed the topic, there's also a correlation that fat people end up in the hospital with covid. There's also a correlation of people getting vaccine injuries or dying after getting the vaccine.
Not really when it lessens how dangerous covid is in the first place. If you get the Rona and survive and also don't transmit it as severely then the vax has done its job. On the other hand, if it kills you because 99% of deaths are from the unvaxxed then you chose a really fucking stupid hill to die on.
And this post itself is deflecting from reality by distracting you with a big number without telling you the whole story. The unvaxxed are the only ones who are dying, and that should alarm you if you had any brain cells left. Even little ol' trumpet changed his tune. https://donaldgmcneiljr1954.medium.com/trump-backs-boosters-clearly-someone-did-the-math-for-him-153a2ff62718
And can you show me any correlation that is stronger than the 39 times more likely the unvaxxed are to end up in a hospital? (https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/news/2021/12/statement-from-the-chief-public-health-officer-of-canada-on-december-17-2021.html)
I want to know why your side is pushing the vax on children when the seasonal flu is more deadly for them.
Or why you’re forcing the vax on people with natural immunity. Let me guess natural immunity is a conspiracy theory.
And pregnant women.
Or why before covid when the hospitals were overrun by people with preventable health issues, measures were not taken against those people.
You see, none of your stats are actionable on its own. Everything is relative.
Covid vaccines are good for some people. For example, they help if you’re old, fat, have hypertension, etc.
For the rest, here’s how to decide if covid vaccines are right for you:
What are the odds that, first, you actually get infected with covid and, second, that you end up in ICU after infection?
Then, compare that to what are the odds of a vaccine injury if you get vaccinated and then the odds of getting infected and being hospitalized?
But then, covid stats are manipulated to begin eith (eg. canada and usa count a covid dearh as died with covid, not necessarily because of covid).
Nobody will present covid vaccine stats to us like this. I suspect that it’s easier for governments to just say vax everybody rather than, say, picking out fat people. Picking out fat people would be a nightmare for governments, so they take the easy route.
If you have hypertension, definitely get the vaccine. Or, consider the choices that led to you having hypertension in the first place.