Trudeau BTFO by German MEP
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If you want something specific you'll need to ask. To note: these are leftist folks denouncing Trudeau. There's ample videos from right-wing folks or centrists calling out Trudeau. No need to share those. I provide leftits sources to show that this is a huge problem.
NYTimes: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/10/opinion/ottawa-trucker-protests.html
NYTimes: We disagree with the protesters’ cause, but they have a right to be noisy and even disruptive. Protests are a necessary form of expression in a democratic society, particularly for those whose opinions do not command broad popular support. Governments have a responsibility to prevent violence by protesters, but they must be willing to accept some degree of disruption by those seeking to be heard. Entertaining the use of force to disperse or contain legal protests is wrong.
By NYTimes own words, they assert what Trudeau did was wrong. They are right.
Vaush-Antifa: https://twitter.com/vaushv/status/1493511896351211520?s=21
Jimmy Dore-Bernie Bro: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AK1b9Cx_QY
Please note: Jimmy Dore's video talking about Putin. This was pre-war. When the war actually happened, it made Trudeau's tyranny that much worse.
One of Russel Brands' videos: https://youtu.be/WUdg-qn7WjE
Bill Maher calling Trudeau Hitler before Trudeau even pulled the trigger on the emergency act: Bill Maher called Trudeau hitler BEFORE he crushed a legitimate protest. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i72czkSUsM
Trudeau calling a Jewish lesbian politician a nazi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz-GrEc5Kv0
I'm sure I could provide many more links. What's important or what I'm trying to show. It's not just some right wingers opposing Trudeau. It's the entire political spectrum.
It's a hard pill to swallow but we have a tyrannical government. The Canadian media is publishing propaganda. Nobody would have guessed this would ever happen to Canada but it has. Peaceful protest is now illegal. As the NYTimes says, Protesting is a necessary form of expression in democracy. Since Trudeau and Singh made protest illegal.
We now must look at the consequences of this reality.
I can't read your Feb 10 NYT editorial board's opinion piece because I don't have an account, ...
but since the opinion piece is from Feb 10 and Trudeau didn't invoke the Emergencies Act until Feb 14 you can't really claim NYT disapproved of that action, can you? They say protesters can be disruptive but they aren't asked to say if there's a limit to that disruption. On Feb 20 the NYT printed this article and it doesn't doesn't criticize Trudeau at all: https://www.nytimes.com/article/canada-trucker-protests.html
I don't know Ian Kochinski (Vaush) but no one should be surprised that a libertarian market socialist (https://youtube.fandom.com/wiki/Vaush) would be upset by a government crackdown. They don't believe in government period.
Are you sure Dore is still a Bernie Bro? The Internet tells me he's a bit of a fascist now (https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/01/29/dore-j29.html). If he has switched then you have a point - I thought fascists were in favour of strongman governments.
He doesn't sound like a Trudeau supporter at the best of times. He is so far left no doubt Trudeau looks right to him. He believes in "A socialist egalitarian system based on the massive redistribution of wealth, [with] heavy taxation of corporations...I think the very concept of profit should be hugely reduced...I say profit is a filthy word, because wherever there is a profit there is also a deficit." https://web.archive.org/web/20201111191127/https://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/socialist-standard/2010s/2013/no-1312-december-2013/russell-brand-attacks-capitalism/
"I am not voting out of absolute indifference and weariness and exhaustion from the lies, treachery and deceit of the political class that has been going on for generations now, and which has now reached fever pitch, where we have a disenfranchised, disillusioned despondent underclass that are not being represented by that political system. So voting for it is tacit complicity with that system. And that’s not something I’m offering up." https://web.archive.org/web/20170809091429/http://www.newlistener.co.uk/home/russell-brand-with-jeremy-paxman-on-newsnight/
I think I'll call that hyperbole for now. The comparison to Hitler will be more apt when Trudeau starts building big ovens and rounding up people to put on trains.
Let's stay in the real world, shall we? What he said was "Conservative party members can stand with people who wave swastikas", and it was Conservative members of parliament who were out there for photo ops with the protesters.
No, it's largely vocal right wingers. "Two-thirds of Canadians support use of Emergencies Act and want Freedom Convoy cleared out: poll" https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/two-thirds-of-canadians-support-use-of-emergencies-act-and-want-freedom-convoy-cleared-out-poll. Two thirds of Canadians did not vote for him but two thirds of Canadians supported him on this.
Too young to remember the use of the War Measures Act, eh?
Now you're getting hysterical. I've spent every weekend for three months visiting at a hospital within spitting distance of Queens Park, and for a lot of those weekends there were hundreds and sometimes thousands of protesters in the street there. The protesters were so thick one time my normal 25 minute drive home took 2 and a half hours, that's how many people were out. All I ever heard of in the way of arrests was one guy for a smoke bomb and another one for throwing shit at someone.
So calm down.
THIS IS A LONG WINDED 8 PARAGRAPH WORD SALAD THAT CONFIRMS, YOU TUCHODI, ENDORSE TRUDEAU’S PSYCHOPATHIC TYRANNY
Your opinion is noted.
Translation: “my feelings are hurt, and I don’t know what to say”.
Wierd, I too dont have an account and could read.
I pasted their words. They specifically said it was wrong to use force.
Fair. Im providing leftists. im not defending them.
100% a bernie bro. I havent seen anyone call him a fascist before and I would defend jimmy dore against such an absurd claim. However I'm noticing a pattern. You're attacking the person so far each time.
Yes, he is a leftist, I wont defend his positions. The point I am making... this is the entire political spectrum denouncing Trudeau. If I can show far left to far right agreeing with each other and denouncing Trudeau. The problem isn't left vs right. The problem is Trudeau's actions.
The important factor being, these people are consistent in their support for democracy. They have differing views of how it should operate. There's a video of Russel Brand and Ben Shapiro 'respectfully disagreeeing with each other' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMiug2sZ4Io
They dont agree politically or ideologically at all on ANYTHING. but here they are agreeing together Trudeau was tyrannical.
Bill maher is the one who said it. You may disagree with what he said. That's fine with me.
In the real world, if you stand with swastikas... you are a nazi. Trudeau absolutely called her a nazi. Let me point out... there were no nazi flags at the protest at all. Never did anyone prove the single nazi flag was involved with the protest at all. The entire point of the CBC calling to denazify the protest or Trudeau calling a jew a nazi is the same as Putin calling Zelensky a nazi and the need to denazify ukraine.
If you personally do not take it as calling her a nazi. You are being very sympathetic to Trudeau that I will not be.
Yes, when you publish that the protest are a bunch of sexist racists, white supremacist nazi confederates looking to overthrow the government. Then poll a small number of people. You're going have skewed polling. Polling will always have an error margin due to media misrepresentation. Polling is remarkably poor since yellow journalism came back.
Flipside, most successful protest in how many decades? BLM riots all over north america and they achieved literally nothing. The freedom protest was remarkably successful eh.
Also you literally just dismissed how many leftists? You attacked each of their characters at what end? Do you think I care to defend some leftists? How about your world view eh? You have to dismiss everyone who isn't in your echo chamber? Left right? Doesnt matter. You have to attack!
On the contrary. If you look at Trudeau's father. You can see some justification for the use of the act. There were bombs going off, people dying. Hell they even managed to kill a trained soldier after the war measures act implemented. Shit was going down. VERY VERY unlike what was happening in Ottawa and their bouncy castles.
But more importantly. Politicians did not. They thought Trudeau #1 was tyrannical. They scrapped this legislation and replaced it because of charter right violations. The emergency act was designed specifically not to touch legitimate charter rights. They knew decades prior another tyrannical trudeau would come along. They knew it would be abused. So they wrote Section 46 into the act. Every single protester who got arrested or removed from outside parliament was damaged losing their charter rights. They are about to get compensation for those damages.
Even better... remember Omar Khadr... the terrorist you can watch build bombs on youtube who killed american soldiers. Trudeau gave him how many millions for nothing Canada ever did. I totally agree the Americans tortured this terrorist at gitmo but Canada did nothing.
So how many millions each will these protesters be getting? Technically it only matters in so far as you believe our courts provide justice.
Not at all hysterical. I'm calling it for what it is. What Trudeau did absolutely made protesting illegal. Some government authorized protests against doug ford is not convincing me anything changed. It will take something pretty shocking from Trudeau to re-establish that peaceful protesting is legal.
Narcissistic blackface tyrannical trudeau will absolutely not be providing anything that will ever satisfy this.
The reason the NYTimes said peaceful protest is so necessary to democracy. When peaceful protest is banned like it is now in Canada. It means protesters have to do something else.
Obviously a moving protest is step 1. Difficult for police to plan anything when the protests move.
Eventually the police will setup barricades and capture the moving protest. They'll arrest and remove those people's right to protest. Obviously this already happened as well. So many arrests in so many cities.
Eventually when you remove everyone's peaceful protest right. The protests become violent. Just look at Occupy or BLM riots. Is Canada ready for a right-wing violence? The right wing knows violence very well. Trudeau will be justified in his national emergency next time.
This is why the NYTimes says peaceful protest is necessary for democracy. They are right.
They made an apple pie and motherhood statement before the event under discussion took place. It would carry more weight if they were commenting afterwards. They were never asked the limits of protest.
"Dore, an ex-supporter of Bernie Sanders and the Green Party", "Dore’s interview with the fascist was fawning and entirely uncritical" https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/01/29/dore-j29.html
You were presenting individuals. If you want to talk in generalities then don't forget that "all politics is local", and the poll I referenced indicated two thirds of Canadians supported him on this. From that perspective he's laughing.
What he said was "Conservative party members can stand with people who wave swastikas". It is commentators who extrapolated that to nazis.
Definitely hysterical. Claiming peaceful protests are illegal after weeks of peaceful protests uninterrupted by authorities is pretty advanced self-deception.
I guess the definition of 'peaceful' varies from person to pundit to observer to commentator. A lot of former Commonwealth countries including Canada use the phrase "peace, order, and good government" in their foundational documents, so in the end they actually have pretty broad authority to decide what's peaceful.
You clearly said you couldn't read the article linked.
It ultimately doesn't matter what the NYTimes thinks. I was providing leftist sources to show that crushing a dissenting protest and setting a precedent of seizing bank accounts for future governments will be a huge problem. The tremendous majority of protests in Canada are not by right-wingers.
You continue to attack the people. That's fine with me.
You're absolutely right. Politics are local. The consequences for banning peaceful protest in Canada will be very local until it isn't anymore.
I outright say that Trudeau clearly said Melissa Lantsman is a nazi. She was clearly upset being called a nazi.
I expect Zelensky was upset being called a nazi by Putin. Technically Putin never said zelensky was a nazi. In fact, they officially said he's nobody and the nazis shadow operate Ukraine. So in fact, Putin never said Zelensky was a nazi.
Why do you think so many Canadians are nazis and why do we need to 'denazify' so many canadians? Dont worry, it's still coming. Canada will absolutely be denazifying.
You're the one with the inconsistent world view. You attack and dismissed all my leftist sources. What you are experiencing is called cognitive dissonance.
Now you don't understand what peaceful means? I dont believe the Charter, UN declaration of human rights, nor international convent of civil rights actually defines peaceful.
There is thousands of hours of footage of the protest from countless angles. The protest is defacto peaceful. There is absolutely no question that it was peaceful. Trudeau never even attempted to claim that violence was occurring. In fact, if violence had been occurring, the ottawa police would have easily been able to shutdown the protest. The ottawa police were under a ton of pressure to shutdown the peaceful protest. They never did anything because they couldn't do anything to the peaceful protest.
Your cognitive dissonance is quite strong. You need to redefine the word peaceful to justify crushing the protest.
This is all now just history book stuff. Canada had a watershed moment. We lost our right to peaceful protest. Then again how many other charter rights are violated right now by Trudeau. Not exactly the only one.
I expect it will be right about november or december when this goes down. Next january at the absolute latest.
Many plausible scenarios could prevent this. If the right wing sees some of the lawsuits for charter right violations pay out bigtime and judges reestablishing the right to protest... I could see that as the beginning of healing.
When there are enough "sexist racists, white supremacist nazi confederates looking to overthrow the government" millions of Canadians supported shutting it down. European politicians, Russell Brand, etc. are welcome to their opinions.
Your unsupported opinion has no value here. Facts don’t care about your feelings.
I’m sorry you feel that wanting basic human rights, honking a horn, playing in bouncy castles, making hot dogs and feeding the homeless is “Over throwing the government”.
The CBC brainwash is strong in you
Do you have Honking Induced Mental Anguish Tuchodi?
I hear the mental condition is more prevalent in emotional teenage girls. DSM-5 is adding it to their lexicon.
No discussion here changes the reality that the freedom protest was tremendously successful. It doesn't change the reality that ultimately we lost big time because of it. We won the battle against some of the covid mandates but we lost the right of peaceful protest. No point in pouting at our loss. We will take this loss on the chin.
The Canadian media portrayed the protest as a bunch of nazis. The thing is... indie and international media literally proved that wasnt the case. If you would like to continue believing this to be true, feel free. It doesn't matter what you or my opinion is. Hell even Liberals were saying "Honk Honk = Heil Hitler" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQb-6yXKBlE which is beyond absurd.
You will notice that the canadian media has been quietly deleting these articles on the 'hate convoy' and deleting the calling for denazification etc. Just as the protest was about to get crushed and denazified... the authors at canadian media who published all these nazi allegations went on a vacation of more than a week in the middle of their coverage of the protest. That's crazy... why would you take a vacation in the middle of a huge story like nazi confederates overthrowing the government. Wait a week or 2 for things to settle back down or something.
How unusual that they would all suddenly go on vacation the same day. How VERY unusual that Trudeau abruptly stopped calling the protesters nazis and trying to inflame the situation. How very very unusual that suddenly Trudeau and Gerald butts started talking about the necessity to break out of your echo chamber. When this went down live, it blew my mind. Then again, it was only blown for a day when Putin invaded for the reason of denazification. Then i understood why the sudden 180.
Trudeau accidentally let it slip during his first sanctions speech/QA. https://youtu.be/Tf5Uvoime6M?t=1829
He says Putin for the "last few weeks" have controlled the media. No no no, Putin has controlled the media in Russia for decades. You know what was the 'last few weeks' that was the legitimate protest in ottawa being labelled quite illegitimately as a bunch of nazis. Putin invading ukraine to denazify revealed the psyop.
Trudeau slipped there. He revealed that it was Putin. The absolute pure propaganda that the canadian media wasn't Trudeau behind it. It was Putin. Why did these authors go on vacation in the middle of their huge story? RCMP probably picked them up to investigate them.
Imagine you are Trudeau though. Media has been covering this protest as a bunch of nazi confederates looking to overthrow government. What do you do? You declare national emergency and have the nazis arrested. Even if Harper was in power... he would have done the same thing.
The problem? The protest was absolutely not a bunch of nazi confederates. In fact, vaccine mandates disproportionately harm racial minorities: https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/to-tackle-vaccine-hesitancy-canada-can-t-ignore-race-racism-health-experts-1.5234212
Why black and indigenous canadians don't go get vaccinated doesn't matter at all to me. It was hilarious to see tons of punjabis calling themselves fringe minority of racists or white supremacists.
None of this matters though. Trudeau never said sorry for calling a jew a nazi. He never said sorry for being tyrannical. He missed the window to make this right. Nobody has a time machine to fix it now.
The right-wing isn't going to pout over our loss of our right to peaceful protest. We must move forward with strength. There will be consequences for Canada now that the right-wing cannot legally protest.
Here's what I also expect to happen. The same canadian media will not have learnt from the mistake. They will see Pierre as officially looking to defund them, otoole and scheer were public in their intent to defund. The media will continue to attack Pierre. The media will propose their erin otoole 2.0 as new cpc leader aka charest. We will get to see how much power the media has in deciding the CPC leadership.
We know Trudeau will cling onto power until 2025 with NDP in tow. Trudeau will have ruled for 10 years. Virtually no leaders ever rule for more than that. Which is why everyone was asking him if he was going to step down. 3 more years of tyranny, corruption, and scandal. He already has the weakest minority in history. He's 100% going to lose in 2025, but what happens if he doesn't?
Did you read about the ndp/liberal plan? https://pm.gc.ca/en/news/news-releases/2022/03/22/delivering-canadians-now Go read #7. They are planning some pretty significant changes to our election system going into a for-sure-lose election.