When they shut down all the small businesses and just left the big box stores open, they ended up concentrating all the shoppers together in a few big centralized locations, turning them into daily super-spreader events.
Now they're imposing curfews, as if that will somehow limit people's exposure to each other by keeping them at home more I guess?
Well here's the thing: Bars and restaurants are already closed. The only thing people are going out at night for is logistical activities like shopping - things they have to do every day regardless of curfews.
So all a curfew will accomplish is to shorten the available hours people have to carry out those logistical activities (like shopping), which will concentrate everyone into the stores during the remaining hours, which will increase social contact/exposure, not reduce it.
So like the small business shutdowns, this measure can only make things worse.
I don't believe for one second that there's any modeling that pointed to this being a good idea, because it defies logic on the face of it. At this point it's painfully obvious that governments are just taking drastic actions so they can be seen to be "doing something". And worse, there's no exit strategy. Nothing they're doing is working. None of these measures will bring an end to the pandemic (indeed they'll only make it worse), so where's the light at the end of the tunnel here? Is there one? Or is this the "new normal"?
Oh and they still don't know if the vaccines work on the new strains yet BTW.
I'm happy more and more people are recognizing that...
I thought about it and spoke about it to my close family and even they came to the same conclusion as you..
This is about CONTROL. plain and simple.
Because to concentrate more people in a certain block of time is retarded isn't it? If this virus is so "deadly"
Ford said something about this when questioned once - by closing the small stores, it prevents people from going to multiple stores and spreading it more. Its science, so dont question this logic. https://www.facebook.com/CTVNews/videos/ford-big-box-stores-prevent-people-from-making-multiple-trips/778294066088138/
The whole thing is a fraud. https://outline.com/qw7e6X - tor star back when Ontario changed the definition of cases.
This was when Ford said they were going to start meeting goal of 8000 tests per day and had been struggling for months to do so. They magically started hitting 9000+ after that change. The other fun side effect is that you can have multiple samples from the same person in the lab and they will be tested. If you have six samples from one person that tests positive, it is six cases and six tests done for stats. If you test him again tomorrow, its six more cases and six more tests.
Combine all this with the pcr scam "test" and 40+ cycle threshold with mass testing on a healthy public and you have no one sick, no hospitalizations and no one dying, but can trot out the fake case count and fake numbers to impose your masters power consolidation and serf creating policies.
LOL what an idiot.
More people in contact with each other = more efficient spread.
Fewer people in contact with each other = less efficient spread.
Having many small stores servicing the population keeps people apart.
Making everyone crowd into one big store crams everyone together. Just as curfews will cram those people together even more, by reducing the amount of time their shopping can be spread across the day.
And they claim to be following the science. A fucking third grader could see why this approach is flawed.
Jesus, don't you understand that it's the number of trips that matters? More trips = more spread. More is more. Less is less. One trip to a store with a billion people is still only one trip. Accept the science!
The returns lady at my local supermarket coughed into her surgical mask a couple weeks ago. Yet somehow me seeing my asymptomatic girlfriend is the problem according to the government, not me going to the supermarket. And now they want to shorten the operating hours for these supermarkets to make it even more likely that I'm going to catch the WuFlu there with more crowding. It makes zero sense.
Thank you, I appreciate the insight. Every year around flu season ERs get packed. Are things crazier this time than previously, or is it pretty much par for the course?
I agree though, it's the disinformation and lack of transparency that have made things 100% worse than they need to be. We can't keep acting like locking healthy people indoors forever is a good idea. No one wants to discuss things like mental health, delayed operations which will likely lead to deaths, and such. It all just raises red flags and makes what's going on feel far from legitimate.
the ER is actually always swamped around this time of year in almost every country. It's just that COVID is the big thing in media so they are corelating it with the virus and panicking more.
To be fair? What? This post was not denying that ERs are busy. It was questioning the effectiveness of measures supposedly designed to stop the spread of Covid.
Why does a busy hospital suddenly now mean that businesses should be destroyed and a curfew implemented? You’ve been conditioned to correlate the two.
You're right, of course, but just a few more details.
Having the big box stores open, and closing the small stores means that Amazon, Costco, and wally - 3 mega donors to liberal groups - get free reign of the economy. They now take in a zillion % more revenue while not only being able to slash hours and jobs, but having those who are still working for them subsidized by taxpayer dollars.
Shorter hours reduces costs and labour, and as you intimated, makes the public cram more shopping into fewer hours, proliferating covid.
As the message from Td Bank says - we have reduced hours for your convenience.
it was never about containing a virus, the entire thing is orchestrated to transition the population into full fledged communism. After martial law is announced you gotta look out for two things: supply chain break down (which i can see happening because of the strict restrictions and the economy brought to a halt), and government annoucning UBI as an emergency measure. When you hear those two things then you'll know its not a joke and this is 100% legit. The vaccine is just an excuse to label people who don't comply and put the dissenters into internment camps. Be Prepared.
Implementation of UBI and supply chain break downs are on the leaked document time frame, for this year too.
and we just sheep along......
So what are you going to do? Vote the Conservative Premiers out next election?
As for the lockdowns ... it's hard to say. They are countries which locked down hard with school closings, curfews and so on and they go the spread under control. The Czech Republic locked down and got the cases from 15k a day down to 5k a day. They opened up and two weeks later they are again at 15k cases a day. Now they are in their 3rd lockdown. The lockdowns in Poland and Austria also show that they kinda work. But then there are countries which are under lockdown which didn't get the numbers under control. Germany is now in their 3rd week of the lockdown and their new cases aren't going down. And Sweden, which didn't have any lockdowns, seems on a path that doesn't look good.
Seems like the Pfizer vaccine works on the new strain.
https://apnews.com/article/pfizer-study-vaccine-coronavirus-strain-3094dd3cc91b4a20780402476cdcb5ae
Even if Czech Republic, Poland, Austria, etc. are able to get the spread under control with lockdowns, they have to wait until the Spring Equinox (March 21st) to re-open again if they are going to continue with this strategy as coronaviruses are seasonal. That means 70 more days of putting people on the unemployment rolls, 70 more days of business bankruptcies, evictions, mental health problems, suicides, drug overdoses, people going postal, etc.
I hate it when the media points to Brazil, India and the American South as proof that coronaviruses aren't seasonal. Tropical climates like the Amazon Rainforest, Southern India and Miami and to a lesser extent Subtropical climates like Houston, Texas, Southern Brazil (ie. Porto Alegre) and hot desert climates like Phoenix, Arizona have a moderate flu season year-round. While humid continental climates like Toronto have a fierce fall-winter flu season and a weak flu season in the spring-summer.
Or they are able to vaccinate the risk groups before that. It seems like the fatality rate increases sharply once the burden on ICUs reaches a critical point. If you can get that under control, speak protect the elderly from a severe case, then you won't have to worry about it. Israel already vaccinated 60% of the risk group. Hopefully we will see an effect on the fatality rate and hospital load soon.
I'm not opposed to voluntary vaccination of risk groups. The debate on vaccines is way too polarized. You have the people who want mandatory vaccination of the vast majority of the population. And you have anti-vaxxers who just want the vaccine to crash and burn and don't even want 90+ year olds with pre-existing conditions to take it. When it should be their individual choice. Our society is over-run with statists who wish to impose their will on the individual. When I suggested to my dad that Quebec's curfew might violate Canada's Charter of Rights and Freedoms, he suggested that Justin Trudeau should make a constitutional amendment to allow curfews. lmao. There are tons of Canadians like my dad who have zero concept of liberty. And think the government has the authority to micro-manage every aspect of our lives.
Liberty is basically an American and French concept (and modern day France is cucked to shit. Every once in awhile, French people riot. But their government is authoritarian as fuck). It's not a Canadian concept. We're basically subjects of the Queen. Canada is a cucked nation. Maybe Switzerland and some others have liberty enshrined in their constitutions as well.
The absolute vast majority of anti-vaxxers are 30 to 40 year old wine moms. I don't care if they get Covid or if their children get Covid. Only one out a thousand of them will get a severe case. What's important is that those old folks in care homes get the vaccine asap. And I bet those aren't as anti-vaxx as the general population. There is a care home like an hour away from me, in Wakaw, Saskatchewan. Every single member of this home, 44 to be precise, go infected with Covid. 4 of them are already dead and another dozen of them landed in an ICU. If 44 suburban moms, dads and kids got sick with Covid there would be probably just one ICU case under these. This is what we should get under control as soon as possible.
Here in Peel (Ontario) we don't even bother to put nursing home residents in the ICU for the most part. The died with COVID-19 rate in Peel for 65+ year olds is 365% higher than the ICU admission with COVID-19 rate for 65+ year olds. 432 seniors died since January 31st. We only admitted 93 seniors since January 31st into ICU while total hospitalizations for seniors is 714. So only 13% of the seniors we hospitalize ever get sent to the ICU. And our ICU capacity is still only 88%. We triage before we ever hit capacity. The median age of those who die with COVID here is 85. But the median age of those admitted to ICU with COVID is 63.
For small town Saskatchewan to put LTC residents in the ICU, community spread must be fairly minimal there.
When I found out that the median ICU patient in Peel is an obese 63 year old with Type II diabetes and heart disease, I started to feel less sympathetic when nurses whined about the hospitals being "overwhelmed". If you're an obese fat fuck and you didn't make a serious effort to lose weight the last 10 months to boost your Vitamin D absorption rate and immune system, you have no right to force other people to stay home because you're afraid.
That's pretty much normal, even without Covid. I talked to a general manager of a hospital and they said that since ICU beds are really expensive, they don't have much. An ICU load of 80% is standard. They have few extra beds in case of a mass causality incident or a harsh flu season, but it's not like there are many days were less than 50% of ICU beds are free.
Wakaw is a quite small town. Population of only 900. They don't have an hospital. The Covid patients were all send to Saskatoon. And since care homes are a decent income source for small towns, they fight for every patient.
Sweden is doing fine. Their second surge peaked and wasn’t above a normal bad flu season. All without any lockdowns.
Yeah, doing real great so that they just passed a law to make lockdowns legal and so great that Hospitals have to delay necessary surgeries:
https://www.thelocal.se/20210109/hospitals-in-sweden-forced-to-delay-necessary-operations
This happens during every bad flu season. They're also testing hospital workers which we normally would not due for flu. This puts an additional burden on the system due to the requirement to self isolate if a positive test comes back.
Daily cases and deaths peaked in December https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/
The new regulations are still based on personal responsibility https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/the-public-health-agency-of-sweden/communicable-disease-control/covid-19/regulations-and-general-guidelines/
At least do some basic fucking research.
No, it doesn't. You're free to prove me wrong by showing just ounce of evidence that hospitals in Sweden postpone necessary cancer treatments because of the flu.
You linked something from December 14th. The law for lockdowns was passed this a day ago. The only person here who has to do some basic fucking research is you, you absolute retard.
Just skip over the case and daily deaths then you fucking space slice.
Hospitals are slammed during any bad flu season because capacity is planned for the average year.
Sweden has made it this far with minimal restrictions.
Not even in the top 10 for deaths per capita
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/
Belgium, Italy, Spain, UK all above them. All have had multiple extremely restrictive lock downs.
Lockdowns are ineffective.
New Zealand, Australia, Norway, France, Denmark, Israel, Spain, Ireland, Canada all had lockdowns and have a way lower death rate than Sweden according to your link. Seems like lockdowns work. Same logic.
And lockdowns are coming for Sweden, otherwise they wouldn't have to pass a law to make them legal. November and December were the deadliest months in Sweden's history since the Spanish Flu.
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-12-sweden-deadliest-november-spanish-flu.html
Muh, spanish flu!!! Fuck off please. Did you even read the article you posted? Swedens poptulation is more then double now compared to 1918. Absolute death numbers aren't relevant unless framed against the total population.
It doesn't matter that others locked down.
Sweden, Belarus, large parts of Africa, Florida, North & South Dakota, Georgia.
They disprove the need for absolute lockdowns.
All have proved you can do, at the very least, no worse then others with no harsh lockdowns.
Spain is still higher per capita deaths then Sweden.
But sure go ahead advocate for locking people in their homes for months, destroying any semblance of personal responsibility, economic prosperity, and handing over absolute power to government officials.
All to save people from a virus where the average age of death is greater then regular life expectancy.
Hope that boot leather tastes good.
Another paper that just came out concluding stricter measures have no benefits: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/eci.13484
It was never about containing a virus, it was always about population control and leading us into communism.
If less restrictive interventions are the way, the Sweden would be in a good place right now. But the opposite is the case.
where did you read about sweden is not doing fine, a blog? Have you personally been to Sweden and seen the reality? what about Belarus?
It seems Sweden was doing fine until they lost to pressure from the IMF and globalist institutions and were forced into locked down by their politicians, not their epidemiologists. I think you're just a little behind on what the media tactics have been to convince the population into believing things that aren't reality.
Sweden is just one of the well known ones that didn't put in measures. There are a handful of countries that I know of you've probably never even heard about that either have no measures or are very laxed compared to what we are going through and are doing much better managing the "pandemic". The articles and data I gave you prove it.
They are not in a lockdown. Schools are still open, shops are still open, restaurants are still open. There is no curfew. How is this a lockdown?
oh great so you just delete the reply where you link me an article that says they are going to lockdown. kek
Did you see the recent numbers?
They just passed a law to make lockdowns legal:
https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-swedens-new-covid-lockdown-law-takes-effect/a-56185101
If they would do great, they wouldn't need lockdowns.
You're wrong https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM-e46xdcUo
There is no correlation between strict lockdown measures and case numbers: https://archive.is/ZfBpW. Whatever anyone does, it won't matter, the "pandemic" won't go away until the governments of world stops this insanity over a flu, and obviously they will not. I personally think its too late, I suggest to leave those behind who still don't get it and save yourselves.
Everyone can pick a blog article and find that masks/lockdowns don't work or work.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6947e2.htm
So what is the truth?
its not a blog dude, it a study with fact based evidence ?
It is a blog with pictures. Nothing more.
What do those pictures say?
What does the article say I linked?
So they don't know. They suspect maybe it works.
It wasn't peer reviewed yet, but we will know sooner than later. Israel is on it's way to vaccine the majority by April. Then we will see how effective it is. They already have the new UK strain in their country.
Currently you would be the person laying under a guillotine. I wouldn't give them any ideas.