Also, about 99.6% of all corona deaths in BC were in LTC homes.(in 2021) That was BC CDCs own data a while back in 2021
It may have changed. Just to put a dislaimer in there.
I'm no vaccinologist but I can't think of many other jabs (cant call the Rona one a 'vaccine' by legal definition) that need 5 identical
-identical meaning the aren't anything 'special' other than "just another original series (JNJ/PF/MOD) again"
-shots to 'work'.
I gather (numbers ive heard bandied around on dinosaur media) it's around 60 or so by time they get to early teens.
That escalated quickly over less than five I had as a kid.
Not taking any more for the rest of my existence. FTS. Certainly not anti vaccs. The older tech, primitive jabs were fair enough, but the newer ones with all the various ingredients in them and also lets face it, proprietary secret ingredients? I'll pass.
Had an argument with a family member, they are on the 3rd Jabba The Hurt. I asked them if they knew what the ingredients were, or even tried to look them up before taking the 1st. No, they did not.
I put forward a hypothetical situ as to say their doc referred them to a dietician/nutritionist for some condition, and in the office they hand you a glass of clear liquid, smelling very slightly metallic and said "here drink this, it will cure your condition".
If after asking them what it was, and them giving vague answers about that its a new experimental solution developed a few months ago, hasnt got full gov approval yet, they have no clue what it does to humans long term, but it appears to be safe and effective, and no, the dietician cant tell you, nor knows whats exactly in it.
Would you still drink it? "dont be daft thats not the same".
CLOWN
WORLD.
Firstly this is for the benefit of the whole forum, in case they may find this data handy.
I know more than experts in infectious diseases and public health protocols? I never said that. I looked for the data, because I didnt know myself, so I found it and previously gave it - Data from the CDC, and the BC CDC. Just trying to get to the bottom of this, and look for some positive news, dont you want to get to the bottom of this? Nobody on here wants this thing to last forever. Wouldnt anyone here be happy if the gov announced tomorrow it was all over? I'm tired of it, my business is tired of it, my employees are tired of it, my suppliers are tired of it, and my customers & clients (esp US clients who cant even get to us) are tired of it. We are almost two years into this nonsense with no end in sight.
The business, customers, employees, suppliers etc all jumped through every hoop the gov set, we're at 87-90% jabbed, well beyond the original Trudeau admin's 'Target', and every time the carrot is moved a few feet forward and the goal posts moved.
What I conceded is that I am unsure of the exact IFR, so we went with your rounded up 2%.
Are you positing that: "I’m no doctor, but elderly people tend to have other things wrong with them, sometimes serious. It’s also commonly accepted that even a common cold can finish off a particularly frail elderly person."
Is incorrect?
"...conditions increases with age. Among those aged 85+, the 5 diseases with the highest prevalence were hypertension (83.4%), osteoarthritis (54.0%), ischemic heart disease (IHD) [42.0%], osteoporosis (36.9%) and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD) [27.3%]. "
About half way down- section 2. (Source: https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/publications/diseases-conditions/aging-chronic-diseases-profile-canadian-seniors-executive-summary.html )
So far, you appear to posit that you are disatisfied by the percentage of Canadians who have got a jab. Is this correct?
What percentage will you be satisfied with? We are at 87% to almost 89% depending on the data table looked at.
The vast majority of the most vulnerable have already been jabbed. According to BC CDC numbers data (previously given) the vast majority of those dying in hospital are 60+ 94%, the even older group - 94%.
Assuming: Can pop of 38,246,108 million. I used data from the below sites to calculate # of people jabbed, vs number remaining, using StatsCan population demographic by age cohort estimates. (Jabs by age from here: https://covid19tracker.ca/vaccinationtracker.html )
(Population age demographic from StatsCan here:
( Another source of % jabbed by age here: https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/vaccination-coverage/ )
% jabbed and # left not jabbed-
80+ 96% have been jabbed- leaving about 68,548 non.
70-79 98% leaving 125,363
60-69 93% leaving 338,832
50-59 87% leaving 66,697
40-49 85% leaving 734,121
30-39 81% leaving 1,019,243
15-29 79% leaving 1,501,555 (at this point the calculations will be a little skewed as the age categories are slightly offset between the two data tables on the respective websites)
0-14/17 29% leaving 1,745,244
0-4 Was not able to determine % jabbed, and I posit this should be disregarded in calculations as babies fresh out of the womb and 4 year olds cannot really consent, and jabbing them is morally suspect, at best. The population of 0-4yrs children for clarity is approx 1,882,571.
I will remove the 0-4 age cohort from calculations. Since according to BC CDC and US CDC data, healthy children up to 19 are extremely unlikely to perish from sars-cov2, they will be excluded from calculations.
0-19 yrs cohort Canadian pop is about 8,075,533. Remaining Canadian population that in theory can get the shot or have got it is 30,170,575. Of that the % jabbed doesnt change much, about 89%.
Okay! Soooo.... 96% of those 80+ being jabbed isnt going to get much higher. Maybe the remaining 4% are either so ill for it to not be worth it, or terminal, or actually have weeks or months to live, maybe some do not understand so cannot give consent, etc etc. Let's just go with that cohort is covered for practical purposes.
As a reminder for the forum, the only thing that really matters is, are you going to die of X? Data on the gov site here: https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/epidemiological-summary-covid-19-cases.html?stat=num&measure=deaths
Figure 7, select 'deaths'. 60+ is 94% of deaths, allegedly caused by sars-cov2. On seniors with high blood pressure at 8 out of 10, and COPD at almost a third on average. Every death is unfortunate, of course. However looking at the lockdowns, travel restrictions, New Brunswick travel 20km nonsense, and all this jab papers madness, all this... for 532,000 seniors who remain unjabbed, spread over the whole country.
532,000 statistically most vulnerable people by a vast margin, who are unjabbed.
Of the Canada pop excluding 0-19 thats about:
30,170,575 people.
Hey forum.... We are holding the country to ransom for 1.7% of the population.
The whole pop? Thats 1.39% of the population.
You mean Elizabeth Warren? 😄
Edmonton was Stolen from whom? Was the city area deeds not purchased from someone at the time?
Who was the previous developer or deed owner?
Possibly just “waves” of “testing”. The notorious “cases”. And when the vast majority is the infamously unreliable PCR “test” and if above 10 cycles, accuracy is going to drop.
Above 7-10 cycles it already drops to about 75% accurate. By 40 cycles it’s essentially meaningless. You can find anything in anything.
Oooo terrible no anti social distancing and where the double double pokey pokey?! /s
The Network/Elites n $pros et al have to kick the Canada supply chain when it’s down eh?
Nice time to pay this rent a mob when we’ve already got truckers quitting because high diesel prices (thanks Joe pedo!) and the get the holy anointing jab of covidian or quit going on causing driver shortage.
Wheee supermarket bare shelves again?
Next up “muh Indian tribes can’t get food Muh systemic racism! “ CBC- probly
Had a look at that chart /data you provided. Which essentially just repeats what has been given in previous data points. One should always go back and ask. What does the data say? So far it’s been consistent- it affects the elderly and frail.
The truth of the matter, the relevant data is buried at the bottom of the gov Canada page, I’m sure that’s just coincidence. The Trudeau admin is known for its transparency, they said so themselves.
Age and sex of hospitalizations: Roughly rounding - 94% of deaths are 60 years or over. 84% of deaths were 70 years and over.
A conspicuous absence of data on this page (unless I’m just being blind) is the number of cormobidities per patient.
Still looking at the page to see what the ages were of the people unjabbed hospitalised. Again another odd missing data set from breathless fake news media coverage of “a pandemic of the unvaccinated” when parroting Herr Bonnie Henry’s incomplete data.
I’m no doctor, but elderly people tend to have other things wrong with them, sometimes serious. It’s also commonly accepted that even a common cold can finish off a particularly frail elderly person.
It would be absurd to assume all the deaths in the 84% 70+ cohort were all ex Canadian natural Mr. or Ms Universes in rude health.
On to the contracting sars2 and “infecting” others. Am I, and my family, supposed to stop what we are doing, not go to work or shop, earn a living etc, every time we feel a bit under the weather, a bit tired or sniffly etc? Then cower in our homes terrified for 14 days each time just in case it’s the Rona?
Are we supposed to lock down our small biz every time? No we will not, and cannot. We have to pay the bills.
Now, this does not mean that I, and my other half and others go out of our way to walk into Walmart and smear our noses on the jars of PB or sneeze on people? I wash my hands, take cold medicine to inhibit the symptoms, high dose Vit D, C, don’t shake hands, not get too close tje the cashier etc and get the shopping done. If you are so weak that a very mild flu or cold kills you, that’s your problem, not mine.
If a cold or respiratory virus is very sneezy or runny I’ll stay home, if only because it’s so inconvenient to be constantly dabbing ones eyes or nose and the tissues can be infectious.
If I get influenza I stay home,(because real flu makes one just want to lie around) I had it dec 2019, felt like shit for 2 weeks, then had the Rona a few months later in 2020 and it don’t even know what it was it was so mild.
Anyway, If we all did that over reacting to every possible ‘might might not be a cold or just some allergies’ cos it might be Corona- sniffle or feeling, the economy would grind to a halt, thousands of businesses and families and jobs would be thrown to the wolves and the money spent by consumers would instead go to the giant corps.
Oh… wait a min.
Like already been said, had no idea what it was at first, gave it little thought, as just felt it was over work.
It was only afterwards we all decided to get a test (what little accuracy the PCR is anyway) as was curious.
A siblings ex spouse also got the Rona. Was the only one of the extended family to die. Was also a lifelong smoker, was over weight and had COPD. But sure, it was the coof that killed the person… in the end died of pneumonia. If had never smoked in whole life, wasnt a fat sod and ate right and excercised, would still be around.
28,000 people dead. Yes, if we can trust the figures from the Trudeau admin. Because the gov would never lie to us, ever, scouts honour.
Out of 40m people. So that’s 0.07% of the Pop. For a pathogen with a 1.8% alleged IFR , and such a terrible high speed of infectiousness, it sure is doing an incompetent job at killing people en mass over what, almost 2 years now?
If applied over the whole pop. Say the whole pop gets infected and we apply the alleged 1.7% IFR. That’s about 680,000 dead. But 88% are jabbed. So that means it reduces deaths apparently. That’s 33.4M allegedly protected in some way.
So maybe it’s those unjabbed folk. 7.6m of them. Alright, and since 84% of the allegedly unjabbed dying in hospitals, then we would have to find what percentage of people in Canada are over 70 and unjabbed. As that, would be the biggest problem to address. That also shows that if the jabs work (to whatever constantly changing degree) then it would make sense to have everyone 60 and over jabbed, (94% of folk dying in hospitals allegedly of Corona) and to leave the younger cohort be.
Canada is a stones throw from 90% jabbed. As it inches towards 95%, potentially that’s roughly 2m remaining unjabbed.
Let’s apply some logic:
- It’s impossible to get to 100% jabbed, or I posit 95%, because babies are constantly being born- and well, we don’t jab babies. …Do we?
- The % jabbed will reach a saturation point because to give further will mean jabbing ever younger and younger demographics, and it’s already been shown statistically ad nauseum that healthy young children Corona isn’t a concern.
- The remaining 5% say, will then be composed of babies, toddlers, younger children and healthy teenagers and strapping young men and lassies, and as this amount of unjabbed shrinks, the likelihood that they are a mortal danger to each other unjabbed lessens, because if the other 95% are jabbed, then they are covered.
Oh but now the version is that the jabbed can still get it, give it. It just reduces the chances or dying or severity.
Okay. Let’s game that out. Hypothetical situation (that will soon be on us anyway) 98% of the pop are now jabbed. Remember! We are only about 10% away from that now! What then? Will the deaths keep going at the same rate or reduce? Guess this forum is going to be back in 6 months and we will find out.
Ok, so- according to the data you put forward, the Rona kills on average 1.8%. Let’s go all out and round it to 2%.
If the Corona sars2 was SO infectious, and it killed 2 people for every 100 infected (allegedly no age discrimination) then where are the bodies? We’re only at 28100 dead in 2 years?
So horrible the yearly death count is similar to all the other years? (So much for ‘excess deaths)
Meanwhile over at CBC, a story about some 57 year old poor old fella, immuno compromised, who’s rather pipped becuase he’s (allegedly) got the coof, because “possibly” the rest of his fam didnt want to get the double double. (Plus 2 booster creams).
Hmm. So apparently we are all now responsible for someone elses health at all times. What next? I’m a bad person for not getting a flu shot because I inadvertently gave it to some old lady with one foot in the grave because I walked past her at Walmart?
And to think I’ve only ever had measles, rubella, polio jabs. No tetanus. Nothing else. Had mono. Had chicken pox, the old fashioned way as a kid, parents shoved us in a room with other parents kids to play with them who already had it. A ‘chicken pox party’.
My god… that would be reported as abuse now. How soft we have all become.
Kids get what… dozens of vaccines now?
I don’t understand the context/story behind this. Alberta already is separate from the feds. We don’t need to claim it from Trudeau. We have it already. Plus all the oil!
“Safe and Effective”*
*Except for men under 30.
Hey stop talking about Joe Bidens foreplay technique to the children like that
Gotta catch em all! Hey, seeing as he likes to get mystery ingredient solutions inserted into his deltoid, he will be glad to know Israel are talking about a 4th shot.
Sorry… “booster”. To uh… boost the 1st booster. That boosted the previous 3. Safe and effective, after your 4th.*
*more shots may be required. Or until Pfizer make enough money.
Yes. Maximum effectiveness at 2 jabs. Now 3, or 4 Israel is thinking about.
A jab so “effective” - one needs 3 or 4 to even “reduce symptoms or severity”. Nah we’re good.
Well aware of BC CDCs interesting vagueness. . X12 more likely to become a case. Hmm. For everyone Dr Henry? All ages?
Okay, fine by us. Whole family already had it. If we get it again in the wild the T memory cells will be on it like white on rice.
X34 likely to go to hospital. Already had is so meh. X8 likely to die. X likely okay.. what’s the other side of the equation? “New Tide Powder, 8X likely to remove stains.” Than what? 8x Persil? 8x Purex? 8x using water? Does bc CDC tell you the chances of dying of not taking it? If it’s less than 2% then again, we’re good.
Wonder what Henry has to say about likely hood of getting it again if you’ve already had it? Haven’t heard her talk about that…
Anyway I can even tell you what it was like. An odd flu ish period of about 10, maybe 11 days. feeling a bit hot, some chills, a cough, muscle or body aches, a bit tired, wasnt enjoying food as much. No runny nose at all, which was the odd oart. Just went to work as normal thinking was working too hard and took it easy in the office. Ended up giving it to the other half, elderly parents and siblings. Probably a lot of the lads at work too. Didn’t even think I was sick at the time.
Similar story with them. Everyone recovered and is now fine.
Even our doctors were blasé about us getting the jab during a routine check up once he learned we all had it already. That’s where I learned the natural immunity thing from. That’s a natural vaccine right there. Good ol memory T cells.
If anything. We are in a better position against folk who have never had it, then get it and pass on a shedded variant, because natural immunity means all the variants are defended against, not just the first one.
Whilst I appreciate your concern for my health, am doing just fine and if you are worried about me giving it to someone hey there’s always the jab for them. Like I said. There’s 4 jabs now and a pill coming up so plenty choice for folk that want to collect the set.
Mmhmm. The ‘health’ poohbahs know damn well it doesn’t add up but they are just hanging on long enough to get a decent pension and quit and disappear before the criminal neuremberg trials start popping up.
Bonnie Henry, cough… sorry Herr Gesundheitfuhrer Henry is up for trial.
In 2023 alas.
Not sure why you got downvotes, you are on the right trail… but it’s more complex than that. You’re right, IF we assume that sars2 mutations follow normal evolutionary patterns. That is, as a virus mutates, it gets more infectious but less pathogenic- that is, it gets weaker and more harmless.
This is germ theory 101, any bio text book will have this. I recall that from high school for gods sake.
The best thing to have happened is if no shots were introduced at ALL. The virus allowed to weaken naturally through mutations (just like flu and common cold, also a coronavirus family).
Instead: since the jabs are “leaky” - they are driving unnatural virus evolution to have only resistant and more virulent ones outstanding. Again this is immunology 101.
In Italy, remember the early days? It shot through Italy like wildfire and killed many. Notice who it mainly killed? The elderly and frail.
Anyone who’s been paying attention has noticed the dinosaur fake news media has long ago stopped breathlessly reporting on the death rate/numbers, and it’s now Ze Cases! Ze Cases! (Ze plane! Ze plane!) ad nauseum. Because there’s simply now no statistically large deaths to report on.
Well, hey, you can get cases of the clap, doesn’t mean it’s killing in big numbers.
So, logical upshot of that is, if this thing was going to kill off anyone, anyone that was vulnerable (frail/elderly etc) was going to be in that initial spike.
Saying that, remember that the flu cases more or less disappeared throughout 2020 and 2021? Funny that.
What’s left is stronger, healthier seniors and the younger cohort.
Any deaths now I’m betting is mainly the frail, old, immunity compromised, and the very fat.
I bet your doctor does know. He’s just been silenced.
As for masks. That’s always amusing isn’t it? Changes every few months. Yes, no, maybe.
The holes in the masks are about 5000 times bigger than the Rona.
Just usual communist broadcasting corp ‘telescreener’ propaganda.
CBC is the news equivalent of a tree falling over in the forest.
Nice post OP…good interesting find. Now that the election is over and the board has stopped fighting with another, we can get back to asking questions to authority like this one.
It’s gonna be an interesting next 2.5 years…
Even if the IFR is 1.8%, that’s still a 98% Survival rate. I, and my family will take our chances, seeing as we have already had it, and now have about 27x better immunity than any jab. Worst case, natural immunity is superior.
https://headlineusa.com/harvard-natural-immunity-27-vax/
Scenario 5 or Table 5, the end part.
500 deaths per 1m cases.
Jab efficiency 33-40% https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/health-ministry-says-covid-vaccine-is-only-40-effective-at-halting-transmission/
https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1346
BC CDC data shows “stable and low deaths” http://www.bccdc.ca/Health-Info-Site/Documents/COVID_sitrep/2021-08-26_Data_Summary.pdf
If you are that worried. Go take the 1 or 2 or 3 or 5 jabs if you want. 88% of Canada is jabbed. If you get it you’re covered. If Canada achieves 99% (because 100% is impossible as babies are always being born and well, you don’t give it to babies) then all is well… right?
Box 5. If CDC data is not your cup of tea then perhaps HM gov UK ONS data showing 0.03% IFR?
How about Canada? Their IFR is 0.07%. Of course, it’s a lot harder to find the average age of deaths and how many cormobidities they had. Curious.
However 99.6% of all Rona deaths in BC are in Long term care homes. Vast majority of hospitalised are around 80. The average age of non accident deaths in Canada is 85. (Source: HM Gov Canada https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/epidemiological-summary-covid-19-cases.html )
Quibbling about effectiveness and the timescale of the u turn is a side show.
- If the jab is only 30% effective at complete blockage of the bug, then why bother?
If to “reduce severity of symptoms”, then what are the symptoms?
Mono nucleosis has worse symptoms and is way, way more infectious than the Rona is, yet no vaccine exists for that - despite requiring isolation in hospital for children for bad cases. It’s not usually fatal though.
You required proof of the difference between leaky and non leaky vaccines, I found it and supplied it, showing by clinical therapeutics definition, the Rona jabs are leaky.
Seeing as they have dropped to 30% effective, would a better way to be treat the frail elderly symptoms only if they come into hospital, much like we do if elderly/frail do with influenza?
Are you positing we should continue with a jab that has dropped to 70% ineffective?
Finally, care to reveal to the forum as to your status of receiving the holy anointing of the mystery infusion or not? Aka the Rona jab.
Also. Will you get the 3rd? And the fourth?
He’s not exactly the picture of health in that family photo is he?
no, not at all. Why would I be worried about spreading a bug that has an IFR of 0.03% ? (source: HM Gov UK Office of National Statistics)
Should I worry about spreading an influenza? That kills more frail elderly every year than the Rona does, flu deaths are easily findable for prior years.
Would you care to expand on your sentence: “No law, yet..” appears to imply you would like one. If that is not the case please make clear to the forum where you stand.
And how, precisely is one going to be “held responsible”? What law or enforcement should be made?
“I’m not 85 so it’s not a concern for me”
No law, yet, against infecting people who do happen to be vulnerable.
Should there be a law against infecting people who are “vulnerable”?
What law would you make if you were PM?
Jabs mandatory for every last man, woman child and youngest of babies?
How would one prove I’m a court of law whom the ‘infector’ was? Shall this cover just the current ‘Rona or however many “variants” ? 1 of 50 people in the coffee shop each day.
“Vulnerable” to what? The Rona? If a person is so terrified of succumbing to a bug with an IFR of 0.05%, then perhaps that person has bigger issues, such as extreme age, an autoimmune disorder, morbid obesity, etc.
One person is not responsible for another random persons health. We are not helpless babies. Knowingly giving someone HIV is one thing (hello legal in California!) locking thousands of folk down for a glorified influenza just in case a 55 year old clinically obese fat diabetic women walks past someone with a undefined sniffle without a mask on at a Denny’s is another.
Perhaps we should extend this law to other diseases? Or just Corona?
Re the dinosaur media thing about most folk in ICU's and hospitals are unjabbed.
Ok, so let's say we trust this stat from the gov.... cough. Questions:
If we are at 90% jabbed and the unjabbed are shrinking by the day, at what point does the argument that the unjabbed are taking all the room up in the hospitals start to get silly?
Are we seriously going to argue that at 95% jabbed (theoretically here) say, that the remaining 5% are children 10 and under, are clogging up hospitals?
Is there data showing of these allegedly unjabbed in hospitals, their ages, number of comorbidities?
How is the various provincial govs defining what 'unjabbed' actually means? IIRC there was some shell game a while back about it wasnt considered a jabbed patient if they had it done 2 weeks prior, and that they were still considered unjabbed, AFTER they were admitted, even if they were in the hospitals for WEEKS.
If they are 'testing' these patients to look for the dreaded Megatron, sorry...omicron, what are they testing them with? A: PCR? Hasnt that test been effectivley given the heave ho by the CDC in recent weeks? Something not approved or somesuch? B: PCR test allegedly cannot tell the difference between one coronavirus (say, a cold) and another - say influenza B. C: If the medical workers and lab workers physically testing all these allegedly 'infected' patients, scores a day perhaps, and the virus is so deadly and infectous etc, how come they arent sick? Where's the data showing how many testers come down with the kung flu?